真・女神転生 SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI Mafia [DAY 4]

SO HYPOTENTICALLY SOMEONE COUL DHAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY PROTECTED AND IT WOULDN'T SHOW UP??

EDIT: HYPO...THETICALLY....

PLEASE TELL ME I DIDN'T PAGETOP WITH TENTACLES I AM NOT MARA

LUCAS BB COME HERE THIS IS THE DRUNK CIRCLE

imagine if the whole phase were spent speculating about the host's typing skills...

t3t and alca don't seem like good choices for nk senders imo, but wifom. /shrug

Hee-ho lets do this.


So I think we can all agree that one of these three things happened.

• Alca or I made the NK and were stunned. NK was blocked.
  
• Someone was protected. NK was blocked.
  
• Maf did not do a N0 NK. NK was not blocked.
  

Barring some really silly crap I think this is probably the simplest series of explanations. So lets break down the facts.

high seraph said a kill attempt will BOYT show up in rollover. So I feel like that validates all three scenarios.

Obviously I refute sending in the NK. And if someone wants to investigate me to prove that, be my guest. I really can't defend too hard at this point when there's not a lot of corroborated evidence. I did act last night, my ability isn't something I'm comfortable throwing out just yet, but it won't be hindered if someone wants to look at me. For clarity's sake, expect me to act every night.


Second option, I don't know how to work with. If someone was bulletproof and popped last night, please speak up.

Third scenario, I'm not set to freak out and start pointing at alcasync because I think it's a very viable option to not do a N0 NK as maf when there's stunners. It's easy to shift focus, they could stun one of their own and make the attempt fail to "Clear them" immediately (Kiyo). They could also just flat out frame someone.
Given that there was not a NK in rollover, and two people were stunned and not one, that leads me to believe there's a town stunner and a maf stunner. So maf did have a stunner to plan around there. The situation doesn't seem farfetched. I'd like to hear from alcasync before we get too into this.

chinomi wrote:actually vote: t3tsuya

i have a reason for this but i'm not telling you guys hahaha ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

edit2: my vote isn't set in stone btw just so you whipper snappers know

If you have a reason you should probably share it. You don't have to claim but at least give us information to work with if you have some that's solid enough to cast a vote. I kind of agree that mislynching in a tiny game could get out of hand quickly. I'd like to avoid it, but if we have some solid information I'd like some discussion about it. There's a lot of people in here that haven't spoken up yet and they are sure to have had actions that gave them things to work off of.

I'm gonna Vote: No Lynch until we hear from them.

alca could not possibly be NK sender.

Take that how you will. I'm down to vote either Tet or NL today.

voyt: Alca (unlimited votes, here we go) Kiyo, I'll take what you said for what I will, though I still would like to hear from her.

I also notice a lack of alignment tallying in rollover. Did I miss something in the intropost? Lucas, should I expect no alignment tally in this game?

I wonder if a hidden kill was possible. I'd like to hear from everyone this round, even if there's this isn't what happened.

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If the NK was sent in but blocked via stun, then we have someone claiming innocence for both of our stunned party members (Kiyo for Alca and T3t for T3t). Not sure if I'm willing to believe the NK wasn't sent in yet.

Will have to thikk for a bit longer on this.

Oooh wow....hum....

That both stunned parties have people backing them up makes me kinda go e' ~ e but eh...guess there isn't much that can be done about it at this point?

Vote: alcasync though I'm super supicious of T3t as well obvs, but again, what can you do :S

Oops, sorry, I forgot this game started!

I did not send the night kill. I did not act at all last night. Also, I am neither a doctor nor do I know if I was the night kill target or not, but I have a reason to believe I had protection last night!

vote: T3tsuya

Though I am also suspicious of drandahl for thinking that T3tsuya vouching for himself is somehow worth the equal weight of chinomi having vague reasons to vote T3t and Kiyoko claiming that I could not have sent in the kill!

can someone explain to me how all these people seem know for sure that other people did/did not act or were acted upon or whatever because im just...????? you can't ALL possibly be watchers

and also alca was stunned so

Edit: thinking on it a bit more, I'm inclined to go the route of not lynching today. If the mafia manage to hit all their NKs from now on we have two, maybe three, mislynches in us and tbh I don't think it's something we need to risk d1 when no one has died yet. We have two people who could have sent in the NK and been stunned out of it (and other people who seem to have information regarding that? stares at kiyo and chi), and a lot of potential N0 sneaky shenanigans. Imo it's safer to effectively delay the game for another set of phases when we already have a deathless n0 going for us.

I am really curious about Blaire's vote on Alca immediately after Kiyo said Alca couldn't have sent in the NK (?????????)

Kiyoko never said she watched me, just that she knew I didn't send in the NK. I'm not sure how wise it is to push beyond that, though I understand not wanting to trust people.

As for me! You're welcome to ask me anything you'd like though I won't answer anything that puts me at risk!

Please excuse the double post! Umm, but I am not committed to my vote on T3tsuya. I only voted him to tie the tally with myself. I don't like no lynching in general and the person I would be most willing to vote at this point is drandahl for reasons mentioned in my earlier post. ;v;

I am also somewhat confused about Blaire's vote, but I'm fairly bad at reading Blaire and so I don't know what to make of it.

How could she know you didn't send the NK though, unless it's a meta thing like "I'm pretty sure Alca wouldn't send the NK"?

What makes you think you were protected, I'm just curious. Is it an actual game-related reason or just a meta-type hunch?

edit: I'd like to no lynch (I never have any problems no lynching on d1), but I can be persuaded to vote for someone if need be. Funnily enough, the two stun targets are people I'd least like to vote for without further information because early game mafias are tricksy.

thoughts:

Cure: I have seen enough anime to know where anything with tentacles is heading.

plotstickers wrote:imagine if the whole phase were spent speculating about the host's typing skills...

t3t and alca don't seem like good choices for nk senders imo, but wifom. /shrug

This is an excellent point. Both Alca and t3t are known for being extremely strong players. if they were in the mafia, I'm inclined to believe that they were not the NK senders because, along with kiyoko, they basically would both have targets on their backs for stuns which did in fact happen.

a possibility that hasn't come up that occured to me: Neutral stunner. I don't think its super common, but we do have two neutrals. maybe one of them has a win objective to stun the other? idk.

N0 is prime time for shenangins to clear people, so I'm inclined to think that one or both of these people are being set up.

I find Kiyo's comment pretty suspicious, because it reminds me a lot of her "hey trust me" attitude in the last game where she turned out to be mafia. Kiyo, I'd like to trust you so I'm going to need more information than "hey yeah alca defs didn't send in the night kill" I think. I'm not currently inclined to believe that Alca was the nk sender, and she has said she didn't act like night which corroborated what you said, but I mean. I'm not really inclined to trust a "hey take this" from you yet. Alca does make a good point about not pressing you for more yet but I'd like to put my gut feelings out there, at least.


I'm currently in the boat that the mafia didn't send a kill or hit a protected person, because I... think lucas said they wouldn't show up but its 3 am and I'm tired so I'm not going to parse his drunktext

cure brings up a good point that a lot of people are throwing around this certainty that I don't really understand because unless we've got some paranoid watchers, u cant all see everything.

this all being said: Vote: no Lynch as we cannot afford a mislynch and I am personally pretty sure that no nk was sent in last night, after stewing in my own thoughts.

I'm actually willing to trust Kiyoko's judgement this time about Alca at least not being the person who sent in the NK.

I'm willing to vote T3t, but would prefer to avoid mislynches.

Ninfia wrote:Kiyo, I'd like to trust you so I'm going to need more information than "hey yeah alca defs didn't send in the night kill" I think.

Okay.

I'm a limited-use watcher and I can see the names of everybody who acted last night.

Seven players acted or tried to act on N0. I won't share their names unless people really want me to, because all it does is give mafia a handy list of who to kill first. If anyone wants to test the veracity of my list by quizzing me on whether or not they, themselves acted last night, then I'll answer, but I'm not comfortable potentially outing the detective or doctor against their will.

T3tsuya tried to act last night, as he claimed.
alca did not act last night, as she claimed.

I thought about whether or not sharing this would be a smart move or not, but since I'm limited use and unlikely to survive long enough to use it again (either by mafia NKing me or by town going 'Hey it's D2 and Kiyo's still alive, we should probably lynch her just to be safe'), I'm pretty okay with accepting that I'll probably never get a chance to act ever again, and considering myself effectively vanilla. Come at me bro