Welcome to Katabasis Station, Work Shift 4

@ Host

I know gears can be re-distributed upon incineration-lynch, which implies we'd be made aware of all roles a player possessed. What about death by the contamination/NK? Will rollover indicate the roles possessed by this player?

Hmm. I'm really not sure. I mostly can believe Rasei's statements, though I wouldn't be opposed to lynching her since Kiyoko is right in that the mafia team might have urged her to post.

Blaire stands out a bit for going for the flamethrower, and also--sorry, Blaire--if she flips town, it makes Kiyoko impossible to be the convert target. I have wondered who mafia might choose to NK N0. It's complicated since they can either kill or swap a player to their alignment, but if the latter happens, they run the risk of picking someone obvious and just having them get investigated.

Tiki made some acceptable spec, even if much of it was a summary of other posts. He'd be the first one other than Rasei that I'd question being in the cargo bay.

Hmmm...

This might be one of the few times I'd vouch for no lynch if we 100% commit to doing a 3-3-3-3 ship task strategy. Also still eliminates the chance of anyone being converted.

I'll think on this more, though I guess we're getting down to the wire at this point.

@ drandahl

What was your reasoning for getting the key, out of curiosity?

holy fuck guys its half an hour to rollover we all need to vote. I just got home and I'm processing and kinda skimmed some walls of text lmao PLZ...

Luxaria wrote:
@ Host

I know gears can be re-distributed upon incineration-lynch, which implies we'd be made aware of all roles a player possessed. What about death by the contamination/NK? Will rollover indicate the roles possessed by this player?

To quote myself in the first post:

If a player is Incinerated by vote during the Status Report, any Gear he possessed my be redistributed by vote during the following Status Report. The Gear of players Incinerated by any other means is lost.

So yes, you will be made aware of any Gear the Incinerated player possessed at rollover.

Okay, some thoughts:

I'm willing to defer all discussion of what Blaire would do to Kiyoko/drandahl because I feel like they know Blaire better, but I kind of think that the flamethrower is strangely in-character for her. Not from the idea that she'll play the role hardcore, but I feel like Blaire would probably pick flamethrower just for shits and giggles.

I am pretty confident given that drandahl claimed (?) I know what room Lux presumably went into last night, because the Captain's Quarters was one of the two options I had thought of and she confirmed she was thinking of it so I'm probably on the same wavelength here.

I have no idea what to think of this last minute Blaire/drandahl thing at all, but  I guess if I had to pick between who I'd prefer of the two lynched, I'd... actually pick Blaire, because if she flips town that means Kiyoko wasn't the N0 convert with some degree of certainty (though it doesn't speak to her alignment whatsoever) since Blaire did not contest her being in the room with her at all, and seemed to imply that she didn't get the flamethrower (indicating someone else was there).

Unless Kiyoko was lying about the room she was in for whatever reason and someone else who is perfectly content with not saying that they were in that room was in there, this holds.

With drandahl we don't gain any information about others' alignments outside of voting patterns and if he flips town and genuinely has the Captain's Masterkey it just goes to someone at random I guess.

So, um, here's what I think.

I don't think Ninfia and ezzelin are likely to have been in the Med Bay and be mafia, because there was strong talk about getting the ship task operational, and mafia moving to the med bay would help the town get that very anti-mafia ship task going.

Therefore, I think the pairings of Ninfia (mafia) and ezzelin (town) in the Med Bay, and vice versa are unlikely. I also don't think either of them are likely to be the convert, because multiple people expressed a potential want to enter the Med Bay and mafia would have to run the risk of having a shitload of people in there that could incinerate their potential convert. tl;dr I will not vote either of them at the moment.

I'm a bit :hm: at the cargo hold still but maybe I should drop it now, though I do think that alca and I opened ourselves up for a lot more scrutiny by saying we might go to the med bay vs Tiki and Rasei going #yolo RNG with their room movement, just saying. I do not think El Zorro will reply to my questioning of his ideas.

The interesting thing is that Kiyoko/Blaire/Lucas/Aeiou went for roles that are really ambiguous in their purpose to mafia and town; having a vig kill and a bomb (and the corresponding tiebreaker ship tasks/easy access to roles) can benefit both sides pretty equally v.s. something like the med bay's ship task and role, which is very town-sided. I'M SO SORRY NINFIA I LITERALLY GOT HOME AT 8 DON'T BLAME ME FOR NOT VOTING

@ Host

Hm, the quoted text doesn't actually match what you're saying in response to my question. To illustrate it:

Player A has the detective role.

1)
Player A is incinerated during the Status Report. The detective role may be redistributed.

2)
Player A is targeted to be contaminated during the Work Shift. They were not isolated and were incinerated by their roommate.

I understand the first example, as it is outlined in your rules and mechanics. What about the second example? The role will not be redistributed, as far as I can tell, but it makes no mention of whether or not the role(s) owned by Player A will be made public to the thread. Unless I'm missing something?

edit: Mitsu post, sec reading.

vote: Mr. Alice because I'm more suspicious of blaire than I am of drandahl right now, and because upon a town flip it still gives more info than a dran lynch does.

Re: Night action choice

I figured it wouldn't be high-value enough for Mafia on N0 (or uh, WS0?). I felt like most other actions had reason to be contested. But, later in the game, I felt it would be nice to give town more chances to safely limit maf action.

Also, I didn't expect to be an infection target on WS0, given what little I revealed in-thread, so I felt comfortable exploring.

Therefore, I think the pairings of Ninfia (mafia) and ezzelin (town) in the Med Bay, and vice versa are unlikely. I also don't think either of them are likely to be the convert, because multiple people expressed a potential want to enter the Med Bay and mafia would have to run the risk of having a shitload of people in there that could incinerate their potential convert. tl;dr I will not vote either of them at the moment.

To add onto this: I think I brought this up before but I also don't think that the mafia would double up in a room, so I don't think Ninfia/ezz (mafia) is likely unless they both lied about going to the Med Bay or something but Ninfia strongly encouraged people to go there and I doubt mafia would encourage people to go to a place where they can get an in-thread investigation man

unvote

I only meant it as an activity vote. I haven't backread yet but will try to do so quickly!

Entehost, let me know if I'm stepping on your host territory by posting these.

Unofficial vote tally:

✧ Ninfia: Rasei
✧ alcasync: drandahl
✧ drandahl: Mr. Alice
✧ Mr. Alice: drandahl
✧ ezzelin: Mr. Alice

drandahl: I
Mr. Alice: II

Re: Bomb, since Mitsu mentioned it.

Kiyoko actually sort of hit the matter on the head. It's more than a bomb. It's a targeted revenge kill. It works even through being locked in the brig (I forget about EVA, I'd have to check my response list from Duck). There's even a delay where, last Duck explained to me, after you die you have some time to choose which target you wish to kill with the flamethrower. It's not a "kill your attacker" sort of thing, or the last person to vote on you. It's literally a vigilante that requires you to die to activate.

Otherwise, I do actually quite agree with your analysis, though I will point out that it might not be unreasonable for mafia to want to activate the med bay because it means they'd be less likely to be targeted with it. However, Ninfia and ezz are at the bottom of my suspect list for the moment. Just pointing out that it's not impossible, if however unlikely.

I also agree, upon further consideration, that I could see Blaire going for the havoc and mayhem role of a flamethrower. Like you said, I also pointed out that incinerating Blaire gives us an idea of Kiyoko... who is a high value target no matter how you slice it, all things considered. I feel bad using Blaire to investigate her waifu, though.

Uhh posting this while I re-read and see if new posts came in.

oh my god I have no idea who I want to vote for. I was at work all day. I haven't finished putting away my groceries. I am........... befuddled let me think um.

okay, dran seems to vote for blaire like, a lot, and I really have no idea how to read that vote. I'm tentatively willing to believe Ezz is town for now because we held hands "hung out" in the med bay.

Nautilus is playing pretty pro town. Tiki is playing pro town. Rasei is nowhere to be found. Blaire and Kiyoko both went for the flaemz-- in character for both of them tbh. uM.

pulls at own hair and stares at clock.

ninja'd reading spec

Luxaria wrote:@ Host

Hm, the quoted text doesn't actually match what you're saying in response to my question. To illustrate it:

Player A has the detective role.

1)
Player A is incinerated during the Status Report. The detective role may be redistributed.

2)
Player A is targeted to be contaminated during the Work Shift. They were not isolated and were incinerated by their roommate.

I understand the first example, as it is outlined in your rules and mechanics. What about the second example? The role will not be redistributed, as far as I can tell, but it makes no mention of whether or not the role(s) owned by Player A will be made public to the thread. Unless I'm missing something?

edit: Mitsu post, sec reading.

Statement 1) is correct.

In Statement 2), their roles are lost, and what roles they had are not discovered.

Lucas suggested pretty large teams which is in the favour of town, because bunching up means there is a lower chance of conversion.

fuck. Lux's no lynch idea if we commit to 3-3-3-3 is a good goddamn idea but we're not gonna reach that level of organization.

Vote: Drandahl because. I'd. I don't have a preference either way for a lynch so let the RNG decide imo. still thinking. still willing to change before rollover.

@ Host

Okay, thank you!

@ Vote

Why does this happen. Nine minutes.

I'm leaning towards Blaire, but I don't read her as mafia any more strongly than some other players, beyond the choice of room and proximity to Kiyoko.

Anyone have any thoughts to add before the votes pile in?

re: Ninfia's comment on Lucas

Tbh I am a bit uncertain about him because he said some things that were wrong (like ship tasks requiring three to do), and I also found the strategy of breaking into groups of 6 to be a little unusual all things considered. But this is also slightly like Lucas, so I was going to wait to see if more things happened with regards to him.