It's not you, the person, that's scummy. It's your interactions within the thread, as well as the results related to your role and what you've claimed. Please don't think whenever we look at you it's because of some personal flaw of your own. It's not. We're speculating and a lot of things related to you do not line up favorably. The fact that we're taking your points seriously and attempting to see if they're reasonable is because we respect you as a player. Our tone is not, "Everything Gerry ever says is useless or wrong." Our tone is, "In this specific situation, Gerry's position in the context of the game and thread appears to be scummy."
I'll give you a few questions like Litmaf. If you don't want to answer, that's fine. If you're town, we would all appreciate the cooperation, because in this situation I would know you mean well and want to help.
1. What is the good reason for not being killed? Is it because you will not show an accurate flip upon lynch, as you claim?
2. If so, you're now saying you're a miller, which means your role was not vanilla. I know you've claimed over and over that you do not like claiming in thread. I get it. But, if your role has a miller component, that means you still do have a role that can take effect within the context of the game. Why would you call yourself vanilla, then? Plus if you had died in a non-obviously miller context while claiming you were vanilla, we'd just think you were mafia and we'd be the worse for it.
3. What players do you wish to lynch or find scummy and why?
4. What is your explanation for you showing up in Aeiou's results? I know you discussed it two pages ago or so, but if you had to pick some reason, what would it be?
5. Do you think Aeiou is telling the truth with her results?
6. If Aeiou is lying about her results, then as mafia she is banking on town never questioning her results showing an obscured target, suggesting that mafia sent it in under obscurity and hoping that town doesn't try to puzzle out this information. Or she is hoping there is a town role with obfuscation that she can pinpoint it on. What would be your explanation for why she would mention there being an obscured target in her results? She could have just picked a name or suggested one of the people she knew to have acted did perform the NK, if she was mafia and trying to frame someone and/or make a strong claim for herself.
I'll understand if you do not answer these, and I hope neither I nor anyone else have upset you by pressing you this phase. Yes, I do think that you are mafia given what is happening in thread. I do hope you do not take it personally, because it's definitely not intended as such.
@ angel
angelstar wrote:but actually i'm a bit surprised that gerry's role would be activated. not super surprised, but just a little. because i feel like my role "acts on" the person who says it (which was mitsu in this case), not what it's about??? idk i guess i can see it going both ways ugh i just don't know if mafia has some role that can mess with my results and they're trying to frame gerry :|
Considering you very specifically got a result that did not indicate your action failed in the way you were told it would fail previously, this suggests your role was definitely tampered with. Gerry is claiming his own role obfuscates information. However, if it was mere coincidence and it was not his role that acted on you, then you're suggesting mafia would have targeted you to mess with your results.
I'm... not sure if I can buy into that theory from what mafia roles have been established already. Also, would there really be two roles in the game so linked to information obfuscating? I suppose it's possible, but that doesn't change the fact that Gerry's role makes little sense to me as a town role. Setting aside the point that you were tampered via the mafia trying to frame Gerry, what do you think would be the purpose of Gerry's role if it is as he describes? And why do you think your role doesn't technically act on Gerry? I would say that it has to since Mitsu's statement is contingent upon Gerry's actions, which you're ultimately investigating.
These aren't super important questions, but I'm just curious to see if your trust in Gerry's response is just gut reaction to his tone, or if the situation reads differently to you.