Paw Enforcement [BEARS WIN]

drandahl, your vote came off to me as saying "I am going to place my vote and leave, and I will be busy so I may not be able to unvote."

If the plan was that only one person would vote and that thread would coordinate who would be the person voting and who they would vote for (which seems unlikely at this point in time, but that was my understanding of what we were discussing ;v; ) then your vote seemed to me as if you were deciding that you would be the one to get the gun, as you may be too busy later to unvote.

I understand that if you are town, that would not have been your intention, but if you are mafia then it would have been too convenient an excuse, in my opinion, and so I wanted to call it out. ;v;

Hmmm.

I'll give it a few more hours, but we don't really seem to have the presence at the moment to arm one person with a gun? Who would we even elect for that role? Straight-up, though, I'm going to do one of these two things this phase:

Vote: No Vote or probably swap to Vote: katze, because first off that name isn't even close to being AMERICAN.

Dylan, care to elaborate upon Rasei and Ninfia? I'm just curious.

What the fuck, dran? All I did was state that I think it was an activity vote just like you just fucking did and stated before all the conversation about why no voting was a good idea was I thought it was a bad idea and I would vote for people that did. I'm town. I changed my thoughts after people talked about it.

chill, my dude

Vote: No Vote

can i have the gun? i kinda want the gun. i promise to keep the safety off

(dont actually do that my strategy would just be to spray n pray)

It is a little over three hours until rollover, and at this point it seems as if drandahl and Mr. Gerbear will be getting guns after this phase, if everybody else no votes. I'm comfortable keeping my vote on no vote just so that there is no ambiguity where the gun is going, I suppose, though I suppose I'm not really happy about the fact that drandahl basically decided both gun candidates by himself. I would rather we know for sure who has guns. ;v;

@alca, thanks for explaining. I do have time to pop in every so often to react and respond, but do not have time to take ownership on any full-thread organization. I can see how I was unclear.

@Lux (and @Rasei):
I don't have anything outside gut feelings right now, so Ninfia and Rasei were just my most extreme gut feelings.

Ninfia seems to be posting a moderate amount, but more importantly, she's been giving her opinions on things. I kind of feel like she always flies under my radar as mafia, and I don't feel that way this time.

Rasei I think did bother me mainly from her activity post on Ezz, though I guess she did explain that. Looking back at Rasei's posts in isolation, they don't trip me up the way they did before. I think I just never know how to feel about Rasei.. either I really trust her and am wrong or really distrust her and am wrong. Though, Rasei, who are you currently suspicious of, now that Ezz responded?

edit: was alcasnaked

Alca, who do you trust right now, if you're committing to this?

Same question for Rasei, Blaire, and pretty much everyone who votes NV, if we do go this route.

i pretty much read dran's post the same way alca did btw, so im side eyeing that PRETTY HARD....

and i think mr. gerbear literally won as maf last time just by being busy with his life so yall best watch out (i actually have no idea at the end of that game i think i just blocked it out)

edit: i trust no one not even me

I don't particularly trust anyone, to be honest. I actually wonder if it would make sense as a strategy for the person who gets the gun to vote for themselves. According to Kiyoko, they would then get two guns, and they would be able to fire off both guns during the night even if they're also targeted for a kill. It's probably too early in the game for a strategy like that, though.

Given that Mr. Gerbear hasn't posted yet, I don't particularly have a reason to defend him from being the vote candidate, though like Mr. Alice says I'm not sure how I feel about Mr. Gerbear getting a gun. ;v;

Okay, now I'm really feeling pushback on a Gerber lynch. Which is weird, because I still felt like I was clearly only activity voting him.

I guess now is a good time to get it out of the way...

unvote; vote: Blaire; unvote; vote: Mr. Gerbear

I have a 4-5PM meeting, will be afk for the next hour.

That's kind of my point. The fact that it is an activity vote. ;v;

If Mr. Gerbear is town and inactive, then he might never get a chance to fire his gun before mafia NKs him. If he is mafia, inactivity would be a nonissue because his teammates would be able to take control of his gun, I imagine. Hence, voting for an inactive player has a higher chance to backfire on town than it does on mafia.

For that reason, I would prefer you vote an active player the thread is suspicious of, but I understand that it's early enough in the game that few people have solid suspicions, and so it is unfair of me to say this.

I actually wonder what the thread thinks about the idea of the only person to no-vote voting for themselves? ;v;

You would basically be trading your killproof for a gun in this case, which decreases the risk of imbalance of the "random" gun going to one side, since they have to give up something of equal value in order to obtain the gun. If they're town, they paint a target on their backs, but since they will be able to successfully fire off both guns during the night, if they are NK'd they would still be able to contribute in that way. If they are not targeted for the NK, then it makes it easier for thread the next day to determine whether their behavior during the night was more mafia-leaning or town-leaning and would make it easier to lynch them if the thread decided their targets were mafia-leaning. I don't necessarily think that if they're not killed during the night they must be mafia, because mafia could try to WIFOM to make someone look mafia by keeping them alive at 1 HP.

The downside is that two shots is enough to fully kill a player, and I'm not sure if the thread is comfortable giving two guns to one person in a phase.

I would really like to hear everyone's thoughts! ;v;

Right now I'm feeling the same way as Alca. I want to always trust the Alpaca [through I remember another game with bears and :(]

To tell the truth, I have no clear reads on anyone right now.

Can someone legally hold two guns, Officer Cowboy?

If the only person in the thread to vote were to vote for themselves, then they would indeed get two guns at the end of the phase. One for being the only GOSH-DARNED PATRIOT IN THIS STATION and one for being a CASUALTY OF LITIGATION.