Paw Enforcement [BEARS WIN]

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Kiyoko wrote:If the only person in the thread to vote were to vote for themselves, then they would indeed get two guns at the end of the phase. One for being the only GOSH-DARNED PATRIOT IN THIS STATION and one for being a CASUALTY OF LITIGATION.

Tiki has skimmed the thread.
Tiki has been at work.
Tiki has been sick.
Tiki remains sick.
Tiki feels gross.
Tiki Votes: No Vote.

drandahl wrote:I kind of feel like [Ninfia] always flies under my radar as mafia, and I don't feel that way this time.

This is a very amusing quote, you realize, right?

drandahl wrote:Rasei I think did bother me mainly from her activity post on Ezz

To be fair, you did the same on Gerry to some extent.

btw if we're weighing in, I'm not really concerned by either the votes of drandahl or Rasei on Gerry and ezz, respectively, nor do I think responses to these votes, like from alca and one or two others, were out of the ordinary.

alcasync wrote:If Mr. Gerbear is town and inactive, then he might never get a chance to fire his gun before mafia NKs him.

So I'm of two minds on this, but I lean towards the nature of this quote in that I'd prefer a gun not go onto an inactive player (notably if town?) because I actually would prefer for a lot of gunshots to go off in the early phases of this game to get it rolling. Plus if he is inactive, then he's not using a gun, so it's double-loss for town if that's his alignment. Flipside: the chance of hitting a town is much higher than hitting a mafia, but this has pros/cons for town.

Imo, mafia held the night kill to respond to town rather than show their influence one way or another, on top of the potential for information. I honestly expect them to either hold the kill again next night phase or NK someone with a killproof, rather than anyone we might "lynch" today, especially if that someone is an "inactive". Unless they're legit concerned with ratio-thinning since this game, which isn't unreasonable, but not likely until N3/N4 imo.

alcasync wrote:I actually wonder what the thread thinks about the idea of the only person to no-vote voting for themselves?

Assuming you meant the only person not to no-vote, then I kind of wondered this earlier, honestly, when I mentioned the Tiki special. It's... I honestly don't know. Guaranteeing a kill isn't bad early game in some ways. My concern is follow-up if this person doesn't fire one or both shots immediately and we can verify it. I would not feel comfortable if this person kept both, wasn't NK'd, and then lasted a while into the game with both intact. But we have guns so. Checks/balances. I heard about it in Civics class.

k so, reads

PLAYERS I'D GIVE A GUN:
ezzelin(?), alcasync, Aeiou, katze
PLAYERS I WOULD NOT WANT TO GIVE A GUN:
Tiki the Troll, Mr. Gerbear(?), Ninfia
NOT SURE:
Rasei, drandahl, ezzelin(?), Mr. Gerbear(?)
BLAIRE:
Mr. Alice

PLAYERS I'D LYNCH:
Mr. Gerbear, drandahl(?), katze
PLAYERS I WOULD NOT WANT TO LYNCH:
ezzelin, Aeiou, alcasync
NOT SURE:
Rasei, Tiki the Troll, Ninfia, drandahl(?)
BLAIRE:
Mr. Alice

Thus why I said I'd vote katze if not No Vote. If I voted katze, that opens me up for getting a gun, which is arguably more pro-town from my perspective if I'm not sure about Dylan getting a gun and want to challenge that.

/shrug.

This post is too long.

Alca, my intention wasn't to maintain a vote on Mr. Gerb until end-of-phase. As much as I want him to contribute, I don't want to lynch a town who just didn't realize the game had started or was busy out of thread.

unvote; vote: No Vote

It's less than two hours until rollover. I honestly did not expect so much discussion from this. I did not expect we'd think I wanted the gun.

But it looks like we're going with this? I want to hear from everyone:
1. Who should get gun (preferably someone we think is going to be online and able to vote)
2. Who should get lynch-attempted

EDIT: Snaked by Lux, who answered these.

I think we can trust Alca with a gun...

Luxaria wrote:PLAYERS I WOULD NOT WANT TO GIVE A GUN:
Tiki the Troll, Mr. Gerbear(?), Ninfia

Tiki sees how it is.
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I'm generally good at doing that, @ dylan.

To add more, by the way, I did and do see your point on Ninfia, Dylan. She has distinct mafia vs town player profiles and right now she is slightly more town favored for me. I don't agree with the read on Rasei, but that's just your gut read to my gut read, so. Rasei can go either way for me. Anyone can, tbh. My list of personal gun recipients were chosen for reasons other than town/mafia reads.

By the way since at this point we're kind of locked into a weird limbo of possibly many or a few no votes, and possibly one or several votes on players, if we're not adhering to "fix the randomized gun onto a single voter", then that also influences my interpretation of the situation of "would give a gun" because it means anyone else voting has a chance of getting one and things get complicated. If in an hour or so there's more than one player voting, I'm probably going to toss in my vote as well for a chance at it, regardless. I think that's not unreasonable.

Rasei wrote:I think we can trust Alca with a gun...

Question is, who would you want her to vote for? And who does she want to vote for?

We have 90 minutes to figure these things out, plus get opinions from more than just 1-3 people on this matter, too.

@Luxaria, yes, that is what I meant! Sorry for the typo! /)n(\

Admittedly, my discomfort was only if drandahl was absent for the rest of this phase and left his vote either because he got busy or because he intentionally "forgot" to change it, but now that he has switched to no vote, my unease has lifted. ;v;

Umm! This might be a really weird suggestion but... what if nobody votes this phase? It would technically result in a no lynch which isn't very useful to us, but given that it's close to rollover and a lot of people haven't had the chance to weigh in yet, maybe it would be nice to wait? I know this seems weird coming from me since I dislike no lynches, but also this seems to be a very unusual lynch phase.

Otherwise, I wouldn't mind leaving my vote on no vote, and I also would not mind voting for myself if we wanted to try that strategy, though if I were to have guns I don't really know what I would do with them. ;v;

Luxaria wrote:

Rasei wrote:I think we can trust Alca with a gun...

Question is, who would you want her to vote for? And who does she want to vote for?

We have 90 minutes to figure these things out, plus get opinions from more than just 1-3 people on this matter, too.

Tiki is fine with Alca getting the gun.
Tiki thinks she should vote for...uh...she should vote Tiki's cold. So that it dies. Because it sucks.

alcasync wrote:though if I were to have guns I don't really know what I would do with them. ;v;

Officer Cowboy more than likely has a few words of encouragement to fellow AMERICAN CITIZENS on how to use a gun.

I mean we can just literally spam No Vote every phase until mafia submits a NK on someone if we want to go down that route, if not for just this phase. The only reason I didn't want to suggest that is we don't get anything out of a day phase if that's our plan, whereas the sort of rocky phase we had today of back and forth gives us more to work with. This falls under the pros/cons of having a voting plan, too.

I personally want more guns and more guns going off for the sake of making mafia respond to them, adding more dynamics to our voting phases, and also opening up the possibility of alignment flips so we can start digging into that whenever that starts to happen.

Either way, pun intended, I'm apprehensive of pulling the trigger on any given plan. If you want to vote for yourself, go for it. If you want to vote for others, go for it. I'm also willing to either vote for katze or even myself, but since we've kind of mellowed out to consensus (if a bit delayed), I don't want to go against the No Vote pattern unless we're down for it.

I guess the best question is:

Other than trying to get mafia to act first, do you have any other goals in a completely No Vote phase?

We could leave it as no one votes... but I'm just afried that someone will jump in and vote at the last second.

If someone votes last-minute, it would make them look suspicious, and so at least we would get information from that. ;v;

Umm! If we don't want to let the phase go to a no lynch, then I would be okay receiving the gun. I wouldn't mind voting for whoever the thread decides (it seems like katze is a candidate?), or for myself. ;v;

Oh umm, and regarding the everyone no votes thing, my intention was mostly that we have gotten a lot of discussion so far in this phase, so it doesn't feel like a wasted phase. But also only half the thread is around, so I wondered if the other half of the thread might like a chance to weigh in. I agree that it is not very productive to no lynch this phase, though. ;v;