Another Side, Another Mafia game. (Kingdom Hearts UPICK)

Hmm... nah. You're doing such a good job of defending me. What more is there to say?

But you know, Roxas.

Speaking as one teenage boy to another.

There's a point where you're supposed to stop talking about your role.

vote: Mr. Alice

I haven't said anything I don't want mafia to hear. nvn

Hmm...going with Alca's theory Kiyo? Yeah...it does make sense, unless of course you're the Maf who got stunned, so jumped aboard that wagon. Alca's talking do vague about herself, yet so certain about you, and you're both really good at this, and I should probably just side with you, but, gwawawawa!

*audible gulp*
I'm...still not sure I wanna commit yet, esp with Lux's list showing all those possibilities. Gotta vote no lynch for now.

I had forgotten how convoluted mafia can get until seeing all these posts. Thanks for the list of possibilities, Lux.

If I'm not mistaken, we're waiting on posts from Drandahl, AliceofOz, and Eleni?

So Alca says she's not an investigative role... I'm reminded of roles where two players are "linked" (for lack of a better word) and know the other's alignment. That doesn't sound out of the ordinary if Kiyoko is the Sora to Alca's Roxas. Ah, the bond between teenage boys is strong. In before that doesn't make sense because I haven't played a KH game in maybe a decade.

Right now I'm leaning toward voting for Blaire since I think that'll give us a good chunk of information. I'll mull over my decision a little more before voting in case choosing someone else will tell us just as much.

plotstickers wrote:Ah, the bond between teenage boys is strong.

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Mr. Alice wrote:

plotstickers wrote:Ah, the bond between teenage boys is strong.

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Considering how our RP game went, and some of the art I've seen of the Kingdom Hearts boys in the past, that wouldn't surprise me.

aha heheheueheheheh. . ... . ...

Alcasync wrote:I'm not sure what the oil does? If the oil is similar to a tailor role, then this phase could be a framing attempt.

Alcasync wrote:What I meant was that if the oil is a tailor kind of role, then that would change my mind about voting for Mr Alice.

Alcasync wrote:That said, I don't think it's likely for the oil to be a tailor for reasons you guys have already mentioned.

The reasons that others have mentioned:

Plotstickers wrote:I assumed the oil douse was maybe a delayed kill of some sort because I instantly associate oil with lighting things on fire, but maybe it's kind of early to choose a target. That said, there's a possibility that it's related to the neutral's win condition.

Luxaria wrote:I agree with Plotstickers that it's likely a delayed kill, since the explicit mention of gasoline directed my thoughts to the target being lit on fire.

Consensus is that the oil is linked to a delayed kill (by fire?).

Question for the host:

If a player dies from oil/fire, is their alignment obscured? Are you allowed to answer that?

Otherwise... I think we're in a potential MYLO scenario without knowing/considering town defensive capabilities. If Mr. Alice is town, and the fire is a delayed kill, and mafia can get off an unimpeded kill this coming night phase... That's 3 town left against 3 mafia, game over.

The one with the delayed kill (presumably an arsonist? from what I can tell from online searches) is either mafia or a scum-leaning neutral. I'm having trouble seeing them as neutral because now there's the chance mafia can just win tomorrow night before neutral gets their win condition, unless their win condition is literally just "Kill one player with fire." That seems... unlikely?

Facts: Kiyoko and Mr. Alice are not the arsonist, assuming that's the right role. Neither are they the stunners.

Opinions: Alcasync believes Mr. Alice is mafia unless there's a framing role, but that's a weird condition since we have literally no way of knowing. So she's basically saying she knows Mr. Alice is mafia and not claiming investigative, which would be foiled by a framing role to begin with. I think I have a suspicion as to why she's convinced... but... hm.

Edit: One thing that's been overlooked: What if it's one person with two stuns?

/)n(\ I feel like I explained myself really badly. Let me try again.

From my perspective, Kiyoko is town.

I saw two people stunned, and no NK, and (again, from my perspective) I think that one of the people stunned (Kiyoko) is town.

Therefore, either Mr Alice is mafia and stunned out of NK, or mafia is trying to frame either Kiyoko or Mr Alice by sending in a stun and then not sending in a NK. My first assumption isn't normally framing because that's usually a too complicated plan for mafia and can backfire, and the more likely option in my opinion is that mafia was stunned out of the NK.

So I voted Mr Alice.

And then I went back and reread rollover and noticed the oil, and I actually missed the gasoline thing in the flavor text and thought oil as in the black sticky stuff that covers everything, which is what made me think tailor (or more like janitor, I guess... My brain went black sticky stuff -> covers people -> don't know who they are anymore. /)n(\ ) And then I thought that if there was a tailor then it was more likely that this was a frame attempt and not the NK being stunned and started to reconsider everything.

But then everyone started talking about gasoline and when I went back and reread it I figured everyone was right about oil being related to fire, and so I dropped that line of thought that there might be a tailor.

I'm sorry, my mind is all over the place right now and I think that's leading to people misunderstanding my thought process. I'm kind of going through some irl things. ;n;

Umm... that said! I doubt that the gasoline thing is a delayed kill just given the ratio. It doesn't make sense to give mafia two kills in one night in a game with this kind of ratio.

I also hadn't considered the possibility of there being one stunner with two stuns but if that is the case I think that only makes it more likely that NK was blocked, since I don't think Sammie would give mafia two stuns and give town zero, unless Kiyoko or Mr. Alice are stunners too.

I'm going to unvote; Vote: no vote until tomorrow morning until I hear from the last three to speak.

Could still be a weird neutral role. Would mean that they could fire it out blindly if they wanted and have a chance of killing a Mafia member, or a Townie. If it's all about their win condition, I doubt they'd care who it hits.

Neutrals are weirder than I thought! I was led to believe that a neutral win didn't mean a complete game over, and like, it would always be either neutral+town win or neutral+mafia win, and never a stand-alone thing but apparently not??? Idk, maybe I just have bad sources on that. ' ~ '

I dunno either. My only prior experience before these games was a video of Markiplier playing Town of Salem, or something like that (basically the same game, just with much shorter phases), where the neutral was a werewolf whose job was just to kill everyone regardless of alignment.

@Luxaria I am allowed to answer that! Death by fire does not conceal alignment.

Neutrals can have several different types of win condition, however, and it depends on the host on what kind of win condition they have and how they fulfill their win condition!

Okay, wow, thanks for the info session, guys! :D I'll definitely keep that in mind!