welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4]

high seraph wrote:

deo wrote:wtf that premature end is this ff mafia again

The phase needs to end prematurely again like twice for this to be ff mafia jfc

true true i remember that day so vividly still that was so much fun omfg

uh anyway i never realized me and Mr. Alive never specified that we were in Room 7 both this past skipped night and the night before

NINJA'D BY THE ONE AND ONLY LMFAO WHOOPS WELP GUESS I DID IT FOR YOU ANYWAY

why did this p a g e t o p THIS IS NOW DEDICATED TO LUCAS' BEAUTIFUL HANDWRITING

BLESS

nO DEO YOU HAVE TO DO THE THING

THE THING WE TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT

YOU HAVE TO POSE, TOO

here let me help you, ahem

Oh! Who roomed with me in room 7 last night? Well...

Mr. Alice wrote:nO DEO YOU HAVE TO DO THE THING

THE THING WE TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT

YOU HAVE TO POSE, TOO

here let me help you, ahem

Oh! Who roomed with me in room 7 last night? Well...

you expected me to tell you who was in room 7 last night







well....








It was me...

Spoiler:

y e s

wait

oh, shit

wait does that read as a negative a minus sign means a negative right shit shit shit i'm not ready for this i'm not ready for parenthood OR commitment oh god oh no oh god oh no i-i'll get a job, i'll stop chasing this stupid dream of night hunting, it's never brought anyone any good, and i guess i knew that all along, i just didn't want to accept it

Holy crackers I slept an entire day phase. What year is it

Alright I just read up on TEN. PAGES. OF WORDS. And boy do I have quite a bit to say, I believe I'll start backwards after saying that this

Kotakia wrote:T3T moved into my room 19 last night (I assume by randomization). This means I get no results but T3T is likely town.

is true. We hung out last night. Like I said before, I stayed in my room the other night and would have to move tonig-Yesterday so I was bumped somewhere randomly. At least now I can establish that was true.

On high seraph's post

high seraph wrote:SPECULATION

This is really cool that you went that in depth with this. I don't think it's an incorrect way to think or speculate, but I do have a lot to say about it and I'm sorry to admit some of it is revealing that some of this is incorrect. But I also do have information to improve it. So lets take it from the top and take care of the dealing with my movement thing so I don't have to go into it again later

high seraph wrote:Other players that haven't been very transparent are AOZ, Tiki and T3tsuya.

I am really not exactly sure how you can say that given that this is my norm

QUOTES:

I have stated the status of my room situation every night, and I'm actually not sure if more people caught this in the 10 page melee, but also my role. And the results I got from my role. That is about as transparent as you can possibly be.

The only things I left out were my Room Number, N2 buddy, and where I was Night 0. I'll clear those up now with an added bonus.

My Room Number was 23. Period. Until tonight I've been in Room 23 for three nights. Twice a game I can change my target and when I do, I cannot move for that night. I did that N2.

Nautilus can specifically back up that if a role has an ability that says "You cannot move when you activate this ability" it does not move you even if you hit your two night limit. This is a game clarification and I'm sure she'll attest to how truthful it is if asked.

My claim is also backed up by the fact that Rasei was bounced out of Room 23. That's because I was in there with eleni N1 and N2. She chose not to move that night, which means N3 she was sent somewhere else. As far as I know Room 23 is now empty unless eleni has a similar ability, because I was alone in 23 Night 0.

The observant among you will notice that I have actually flat out stated from the beginning that I have been in my same room the entire time.

Aug 13th post

I was not alone in my room last night. I cannot claim what room that is because I tried to move to Room 1, which ended up locked, so I went back to my original room. Which means I am moving rooms tonight.

Yesterday

I stayed in my room last night. Someone else also stayed in my room with me last night. This is my 2nd night of staying in my room so I will be moving tonight.

Your statement here

high seraph wrote:On n1 there was no mention of an attempt. I'm not sure of how alca's locking works specifically, but I believe if chinomi is the nk sender, it wouldn't show up in rollover. If chinomi didn't send the nk, then mafia most likely set up a trap.

Chinomi could not have been the NK sender due to established facts we know. On N1 the kill did not appear in rollover, and that's when Chinomi was locked up. It would have been listed as having failed if she was the one to initiate it.

We know for a 100% fact that N1 mafia set a trap because this last rollover that trap was listed as being dismantled. So N1 we know Chinomi was not the NK sender. This means it is likely that she -was- the NK sender on a night we could not pin down her movements. Either N0 or last night.

Due to how AMAZINGLY AGAINST revealing her partner she was last night. I am willing to believe she sent out the NK and actually had no partner.




So lets touch a bit more onto my role

The results of my role and the nature of my role were part of what made me so sure that Chinomi was mafia. Kiyo was an investigative role, I am a type of investigative role, other people are talking as if they have some kind of information revealing as well. I don't believe Town is completely made up of investigators.

At the risk of revealing a little more than I'm willing to to answer alcasync's question, you can jail me on odd numbered nights and it wouldn't effect me at all. Other than that, I am not going to go into the absolute specifics of my role yet, I believe it would be detrimental right now to do so.


So from the information I've given, there's a couple things that I don't agree with. Unfortunately at the risk of being unpopular, the eleni vote is one of them.

On Lynching
Before we go into that, here is my list of people I'd feel comfortable voting for this phase.

Rasei
Mr Alice
plotstickers
deo
eleni
Tiki
with a very very very very soft Alcasync suspicion in the back of my mind.

Notice that eleni is still on there. I'm not discounting her entirely, I do actually agree with some of the things brought up, but we have her every movement from N0 to now and she's never been alone. I'm sure the doubt is stronger to me than some other people because I'm 1000% sure she was in my room the past few nights, and I accept that some might disagree. I'm not asking for anybody to take their vote off her if that's how they feel. Just asking for people to update their information and make an informed choice given that.

If we're voting for her based on the fact she led a dahl vote, she specifically stated at the time that it was an activity vote. There were at least two more of those. And it was during a day in which we had not a lot to go off of. That was the Mr Alice being silenced day, I'm sure people remember that we were actually flat out stating "Well if we mess up it's not the worst thing in the world.". I can't consider her activity vote any more suspicious than anybody else's, honestly I'd be more suspicious about the bandwagoners and famously Rasei's method of not voting while also calling for a lynch.

When push comes to shove, I just think we have better, safer options than eleni. At least for right now. I do understand some of the points brought up. This is just like the Mr Alice situation to me where I feel we have more concrete things to go off of.

We have plotstickers who had someone who is now confirmed mafia VIOLENTLY claiming that plotstickers was town out of the gate.

We have Rasei who has literally not once ever had her room movement confirmed by anybody else in thread while also voting, in my opinion, extremely strangely.

We have Tiki who was unfortunately born a troll and has ascended to a higher plane of being scummy to the point of my not being sure if he's mafia or if this is just how he is.

And Mr Alice is Mr Alice, her own uncomfortable issue for this thread.



I'm heading out to a tournament for a few, but I'll be back in a couple hours. If anybody has any questions about anything I've said so far feel free to ask. I'm not going to be comfortable voting until we speculate a little bit more, but I will make a decision when I return.

EDIT: How spell

alcasync wrote:

alcasync wrote:Umm I asked for clarification on how the jailing works if I hit a mafia. The NK still goes through but I force them to target their own room. So if there's only one maf inside they trap their own room and... I'm not sure what happens if there are two people inside, let me ask.

If there are two people inside the nk fails regardless of alignment and shows up in rollover as failed.

alca im really confused about your role tbh and i dont think discussing it should be our top priority but

The way I understand it, you can choose a room to lock up. Any actions targeted at that room will fail and anyone who was inside the room before it got locked is unable to move to another room. My problems here are:

1) If we're gonna believe chinomi/plot (we shouldn't), locked PLAYERS can be targeted. Is this correct?
2) IIRC, alca said the locked ROOMS cannot be targeted. Is this correct?
3) Can the locked player still act? In other words, does the stun only apply to movement or also to player actions?
4) If the locked room is targeted for the NK, does it show up in rollover as an attempt?
5) If a mafia member sends the NK FROM a locked room, does it show up in rollover as an attempt?

I think with this info we can determine exactly what happened during n1

@T3tsuya thank you for your reply and for adding the info about your room movements, which seems crucial at this point. I said you were one of the least transparent because everyone else was being very open about their room numbers, roommates etc, while your information tended to be a little more vague (as you said yourself in your post). Sorry I didn't catch on to your hints though, that was my bad.

As for chinomi being confirmed for not sending the nk, that's actually the scenario I was hoping for actually. I wanted to bring this up again because alca's claim brought me a lot of doubts tbh (see questions above).

The conclusion here is that if we are 100% positive that chinomi didn't send a nk on n1, then there is a mafia among deo, Rasei and plot (and AOZ cuz we don't know where she was).

Ok I'm gonna doublepost because I have edited my last post too many times so I thought I'd wait till someone posted to say something BUT EVERYONE IS GONE?

UM I was just thinking about what T3t said about the current lynch and honestly I think we have an opportunity to check the alignment of three players just this phase. If I'm right with my chart and my lists and everything, there is a good chance one out of deo, plot, Rasei and possibly AOZ is mafia.

Rasei is the only one who said they attempted to move to another room but were bumped back to their original room. The room Rasei tried to move into was occupied with eleni and T3tsuya. Now, if Rasei is mafia and tried to send the NK on Room#23, this would clear both eleni and T3tsuya of suspicion, right? The mafia is obviously coordinating their own room movements together no matter how independently each of its member is acting, so it wouldn't make sense for Rasei to move to room #23 when they knew one of their teammates was in that room.

So if Rasei, who has been acting consistently strangely throughout the entire game, flips mafia, this would clear both eleni and T3tsuya. If Rasei flips town, that sucks, but then we can lynch eleni or T3tsuya or... Someone else? Lmao

I don't really mind lynching eleni today, I'm pretty convinced she's mafia based on her general behavior and lack of transparency about her room movements, but I think... Lynching Rasei is an option that offers a little more reward with less risk? I'm not gonna change my vote right away since um the last time I tried to handle things by myself I ended up HUMILIATED lmao so I'm gonna wait and listen to what u guys think first like a good rational and adorable cinnamon roll I am u Wu)<3

sORRY i was here the whole time but i mean i didn't really have anything else to say since i don't think i have any important info left to give?

re-reading some of last nights posts though, i'm still pretty in favor of voting eleni like i did last time, so that's probably what i'll be doing unless she's cleared up further along in the day, or something else happens??

that was a super cute drawing you did of the rooms though ahh

Lucas, it's okay. I'm always here and can post for you. :>

That being said I'm going to use this post to say the following:

This phase will end at 11:00am EST, not 12:00PM EST!

So basically it's just an hour shorter than a usual phase, haha.

@deo - why

high seraph wrote:UM I was just thinking about what T3t said about the current lynch and honestly I think we have an opportunity to check the alignment of three players just this phase. If I'm right with my chart and my lists and everything, there is a good chance one out of deo, plot, Rasei and possibly AOZ is mafia.

I don't think it's a strictly "If one is maf, all are maf." or "If one is town, all are town" situation. As much as I wish it were. I don't disagree that one or several of those four are probably our biggest targets for the reasons we outlined before.

high seraph wrote:Rasei is the only one who said they attempted to move to another room but were bumped back to their original room. The room Rasei tried to move into was occupied with eleni and T3tsuya. Now, if Rasei is mafia and tried to send the NK on Room#23, this would clear both eleni and T3tsuya of suspicion, right? The mafia is obviously coordinating their own room movements together no matter how independently each of its member is acting, so it wouldn't make sense for Rasei to move to room #23 when they knew one of their teammates was in that room.

So if Rasei, who has been acting consistently strangely throughout the entire game, flips mafia, this would clear both eleni and T3tsuya. If Rasei flips town, that sucks, but then we can lynch eleni or T3tsuya or... Someone else? Lmao

I agree with some parts of this and strongly disagree with others.

First off, I agree with the Rasei theory. I feel targeting her is a much lower risk than anybody else for the reasons I described earlier.

I think it's very suspicious how Rasei has been voting (specifically asking for a lynch and not committing), acting, being perpetually alone with no one to say they're her roommate, and that the one night she said she was bounced was one of the nights the kill failed. I think she's a solid lynch due to the information we have.

However I'm not strictly sure how you're getting that if Rasei flips maf it clears eleni and myself. Or alternatively if she flips town it condemns us. When push comes to shove, yes there was a failed night kill that night and she was alone and bounced. But that's no actual guarantee she was the NK sender.

There's several other possibilities and people who could have done it. She's a maf but not the NK sender and was just trying to move. She's a town trying to move normally. She is the NK sender and was trying to kill us in the room. She had an ability to use. There's several circumstances other than that, however likely it seems that she's the one that sent the NK. There's 5 mafia members. They can easily switch duties, and it's not a stretch to think they've tried to room with town before just to room with town.

Nothing here is exactly certain and your speculation is operating on the pretense that nobody is flat out lying. Which is just not going to happen in a game of Mafia. I'm willing to bet a few people lied about their rooms.

I'm not saying your speculation is wrong or that it hasn't helped a lot, it seriously has given me a few things to look at and we're operating on the best information we have. Just don't be so set to deal in absolutes in a game of liars and deception. Allow some wiggle room to adapt to misinformation. I think today we might have to just go off of what is likely the best (read: least risky) option with the information we have.


Will be back before rollover, I'll vote then.

Heya. I have a couple of things to say about Night 3, but first I apologize for spelling Chinomi's name wrong this morning. I was using my phone, on my way to work again.

Flavorish text:
I was innocently packing up my luggage from Room 26, for I been there two nights already, when Alice of Oz entered the room dazed and confused. We talked for a second (well not really) then I turned around to finish packing. I must of fainted because suddenly it's day 4. The host told me I looked pale, which made me realize that I lost my extra life somewhere.


Facts about Me:
- Room List

• Original room was 22.
  Spent night 0 in room 24.
  Spent night 1 in room 26.
  Spent night 2 in room 26. In which I was locked in or I would have moved to room 23.
  Spent night 3 in room 26.
  

- Role -
Role is the following:

Spoiler:

Well, it's really

Spoiler:

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-Ability-
Once per a game, I can give someone a will.
Also I have one extra life that can be taken by either lynches or other types of kills.

Facts on N3:
* AliceofOz moves into Room 26. https://crywolf.rpg-board.net/t99p720-welcome-to-the-b-b-day-4
* There was a kill attempt on a room, but it failed!
* My extra life is now gone. Therefore, the night kill hit me. After all as Lux pointed out in in post 732, it's strange they keep hitting double rooms.
* This means that AliceofOz stole my extra life.

Conclusion:
AliceofOz is mafia.

I can prove my role by sending the will to a person that the thread agrees to. They should get a message stating that they got the will.

Vote: AliceofOz
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Also can i get my extra life back? I feel safer with it.

Also I asked Nautilus why I was in room 26 for three nights, and Nautilus said if you get locked in a room, it doesn't count for  the mandatory room limit.

uhhh can i ask if the will actually does anything or like?? just a message with no actual effect or???

The will is 100 character message written by the person it was given to which will be revealed at rollover in the event that person dies during the day.

oh, ooh! that sounds pretty cool

and also sorry again, but like, idk if it's just your wording, but you said that aoz 'stole' your extra life, then you said you wanted it back? haha does it work like that?

again, it could totally be just your wording that's making me go ??? and i should just assume that it means you're saying she tried to kill you, but uh ???

y eah...