welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4]

nautilus wrote:Heads up that I'm going to bed in a bit, so if you have any INCREDIBLY PRESSING QUESTIONS FOR ME let me know now or forever hold your peace

idk where kiyoko is but she'll maintain the vote tally while i'm asleep

CAN YOU ASSUME THAT ARDONYE SENT YOU THE QUESTION LIST I GAVE HER AND REPLY TO HER PLS. ;w;

hey but youre on the bottom of my suspect list deo o wo)a
seriously goes to sleep now (inb4 i check the thread "Just one more time" and respond "Just one more time" lmao)

stoat alley.

eleni: IV
AliceofOz: I

high seraph vs. eleni
Luxaria vs.
Sammiya vs. eleni
AliceofOz vs.
alcasync vs. eleni
Mr. Alice vs.
T3tsuya vs.
Tiki the Troll vs.
Rasei vs. AliceofOz
plotstickers vs.
eleni vs.
deo vs. eleni
Ardonye vs.
Ninfia vs.
Kotakia vs.


[13/08/2015 6:43:38 PM] Kiyo / 7♦: is there any reason you’re nesting a bazillion quotes?
[13/08/2015 6:43:46 PM] Kiyo / 7♦: is there some secret house of leaves message there

@lux -

(sadly i cannot confirm or unconfirm things of that nature in-thread. i am but a host)

oh i know i know

it's just starting to rub me the wrong way that you're like publishing your DEFINITIVE DEFINITELY MAFIA WITH INTERCHANGEABLE LAST SLOT!!! in bold and italics a lot idk (that last part being the rare occasion although i believe one was also colored or something????)

it's nothing major though it probably won't change anything as far as i care anyway so eh

deo are you mafia is that what you are telling me!!! the last interchangeable slot can be yours ok

exclusively

omfg this is hilarious hahaha eats left arm of cinnamon roll

exclusively like

Spoiler:

No, no, Nautilus, I meant. Could you PM her those answers privately, under the assumption that she would ask them if she were here? Otherwise we will be waiting a long time, since she won't be available for at least an hour or two or so. :c

Kiyoko is out playing ingress and drinking boba but can maintain coat sally after naut goes to bed.

Ardonye wrote:I got a PM about a will. Gtg now public speaking class

Well, alright. That solves that then. Rasei is likely town. I'd still like to get Luxaria's mega-clarification out of the way but I don't think we're going to end up doing that before I need to leave.

One last thing before I vote. Rasei how did you come to the conclusion that it was Alice that popped your bulletproof? What kind of PM did you receive, if any?

Luxaria wrote:It's interesting to me that T3tsuya botched his interpretation of what Rasei said quite so badly, but I'm not sure if that's really a mafia thing to do. I mean, if he were mafia he would know that Rasei is either town or neutral and has no reason to lie about being able to send the message to another player. Thus, painting her negatively when she can literally prove it right this instant is really suspicious, but it might also just be a plain old town blunder (high seraph, where you at? <3).

That said, this T3tsuya vs alcasync suspicion thing going on intrigues me. I will admit that I do buy into what Ardonye suggested earlier about one of the big talkers possibly being mafia. For a while I have kept it in the back of my head that one of them might be mafia, but I'm 87.4% sure alcasync is town. T3tsuya is harder to read, and I'm a bit biased since my last interaction with him literally was the worst thing ever because I knew, and he knew I knew, and he knew I knew he knew, and it was a mess

I think you can agree it's not that much of a stretch to misunderstand a dying message as a message they leave when they die. That's a pretty common role in the game. Never did I think a dying message could be used like this, on another person, with no dying involved. That went off without a lot of fanfare, and that's ok with me. I feel like if you reread that section of conversation after you asked me what I thought with the idea that I had it in my head that everything about her role was eerily convenient, you'd come to the same conclusion.



On the alcasync thing. I did say specifically it's a very very weak back of my mind "What if" suspicion. Please don't misunderstand it as anything else as it would be a huge error to think I suspected her as a viable threat. I think it's safe to say the big talkers are predisposed to suspecting other big talkers in the back of their minds, so if we're suspicious in your mind for thinking that, you should find yourself suspicious too. How's that for meta

Luxaria wrote:I will note, however, that T3tsuya's information has largely been centered around eleni and Tiki the Troll. The former has been cast under high scrutiny. The other has been uncharacteristically silent for a while now, and when he did talk he was a little questionable at times--something T3tsuya largely pointed out, himself. But we all know Tiki can sort of... be Tiki, and later on T3tsuya said, "Yeah, okay, I buy what you're saying." I'm now wondering if this was an elaborate charade, because the things T3t called out weren't really enough to cause huge suspicion on the target because they could easily be waved away as, "Oh, you just misunderstood", like what's happening in this phase... Hmm... That's a good way to simultaneously distance yourself while also making them seem less scummy.

My information has been centered around them, yes. They had to do with my role's ability, I believe I mentioned before. eleni was under high scrutiny before when we were talking about the fact we didn't know too much about her. I had information so I needed to speak up. Not with my opinion, but with facts.

Tiki. Well.
Tiki.
I think you know something is wrong when my saying "Yeah ok I buy that" throws you into an existential crisis where you can't believe anything anymore, but if you go back and read that line of conversation as well keeping in mind I knew where Tiki was every night. What he said made sense. (I know right)

high seraph wrote:Ok I dont wana go to sleep without saying something im like so freaking sure of this guys

The last 4 mafia are eleni, AliceofOz, plot + either deo or T3tsuya

i even made a chart did nobody see my chart oh my god goodnight

Like I said before, your chart had some things wrong with it due to incorrect information and it operating on the sole assumption no one is lying. Which is a pretty big thing to not do in mafia. I wouldn't subscribe to that as a hard and fast list but it is something I can see the merit in.

That being said since it seems like it's the night to lightly defend my position that I knew would come soon, please look at everything I've claimed thus far both room related and role related and find that nothing in thread contradicts a thing I've said.

Additionally on the next day phase I will know the previous room location of a specific person, and will be able to confirm it with them and whatever roommate they have might have had.

So when you're speculating please refer to those facts while you're considering.

deo wrote:exclusively like


version exclusive or something

What.

Anyway, I'm waiting to hear on Rasei, then I'm voting, then I'm going to bed and crossing my fingers

Re: T3tsuya.

So at first you understood Rasei's role to function as such:

T3tsuya wrote:I find it weird to believe both Rasei and plotstickers would be message senders.

T3tsuya wrote:Like I said. All of that is very, very convenient. Gives us a situation where we can only prove things if we kill her and gives someone else to be blamed at the same time.

T3tsuya wrote:Gives us a situation where we can only prove things if we kill her and gives someone else to be blamed at the same time.

Rasei had previously said:

Rasei wrote:Player gets the will via Nautilus's pm. They are told they can write 100 characters, then send it to Nautilus. When rollover happens, the will will be posted by the player's death.

I only get one will, and can only send it out during the day.

This seems incredibly straight-forward. Rasei said she'd give another player the ability to write 100 characters, sent through Nautilus, and then if that player dies then the will they wrote would be revealed to the thread upon death. But okay, even if you misunderstood, you promptly stated:

T3tsuya wrote:Additionally on the Rasei situation. I am crazy suspicious of anyone who would suggest that if we do test her theory, we'd send it to anyone other than Ardonye, who is quite literally the only 100% confirmed by a dead person town. This should be obvious.

In the context of your previous understanding of the role, that you showed, this would mean:

1. You thought Rasei to be a message sender.
2. That Rasei, herself, would have to die, and the recipient of the will would be told the information. Thus that the recipient wouldn't be given the "message" until after Rasei was lynched.
3. You point out it could only be sent during the day.

So your idea of it would be that someone that just claimed to have lost deathproof would need to be lynched, and that Ardonye wouldn't receive a message until after Rasei was lynched by town, and that if this was her way of alibi, then:

T3tsuya wrote:All of that is very, very convenient. Gives us a situation where we can only prove things if we kill her and gives someone else to be blamed at the same time. We are a notoriously cautious crowd this game, I think it's obvious what option would be chosen.

So you immediately create a situation where she can only protect herself if we lynch her and suggest that the thread, as a whole, will not. That said, you follow this up with the aforementioned statement that you would be suspicious of ANYONE suggesting we have Rasei message someone other than Ardonye.

For your next post, you replied to Rasei's statement of:

Rasei wrote:You will write a 100 character will that will be posted if you die. (If I chose you)

. . . with . . .

T3tsuya wrote:Ok so this changes things exponentially. I was under the presumption that you would post a will if you died. The fact that Rasei's roleclaim essentially gave her someone to put the blame on as well as incentive to kill them to prove what she said, that makes it fit my definition of "Convenient" even harder than before.

Again, she had been exceptionally clear with how her role works, in my opinion, far clearer than she usually is with these things. However, now you think that the will wouldn't be read until Ardonye dies, thus providing our only proof, but Rasei said that the player would be given a PM by the host stating they had received the will. As Ardonye is our confirmed town, wouldn't her word stating, "Yo, I got a will" be proof enough? Why does killing Ardonye come into the equation?

But, continuing on, remember how you said you'd question any plan where we don't give it to Ardonye? Apparently you got confused, but you provided an amusing contradiction.

T3tsuya wrote:Given the situation I see two scenarios here being viable.

Rasei sends her will to herself. We Lynch her. If she's telling the truth we'll see the Will, we can to get Mr Alice to take out other Alice, and if that fails we Lynch.

Rasei sends the Will to Alice. We Lynch her. If no note comes up we'll do what we can to get Mr Alice to take out Rasei, and if that fails we Lynch.

This will both give us information on if we can trust Mr Alice, and see if Rasei is lying at the same time as making a lynch that is on the generally accepted list of suspicion.

The first scenario just kills off a town for free and we gain virtually nothing from it other than Rasei's word against AliceofOz performing a NK on her last night, which means a mafia to town trade of 1:1, but we would be immediately killing a town rather than hunting out potential mafia.

The second scenario kills an unknown that Rasei believes to be mafia. But alternatively, from a mafia perspective, this just busses a player believed to be mafia and pseudo-outed by Rasei--and if you're mafia, you'd know that Rasei is being honest. So in this way, mafia closes up a loose end and looks a lot more genuine.

I don't know, man....

I'm waiting to hear from Ardonye to 100% confirm Rasei's status, but... You know? Damn, dude.

Edit: I just noticed you posted while I was typing this. Reading.

Edit 2:

T3tsuya wrote:One last thing before I vote. Rasei how did you come to the conclusion that it was Alice that popped your bulletproof? What kind of PM did you receive, if any?

I would also like an answer to this.

Luxaria wrote:Tiki the Troll...has been uncharacteristically silent for a while now, and when he did talk he was a little questionable at times--something T3tsuya largely pointed out, himself. But we all know Tiki can sort of... be Tiki...

*Late night post because I can't sleep despite my best efforts...*

Because everybody was talking, and they were all talking about killing the troll, and whenever that happens, the Town kills the troll, and I'd like one game where the Town doesn't vig or lynch me, but if I try to defend myself I'll get The Dumb, and accidentally say something scummy that I previously thought had just been kinda funny, so I got scared and didn't wanna talk (like this thread needs help moving at a breakneck peace anyway), but I'm known for talking, so bring silent felt dagger, bit still looks bad, and then they'll all want to kill me more, and I don't wanna be killed, I wanna be hugged, but no one hugs trolls, and, bawww...!

To quote alcasync: ";v;"

Luxaria wrote:No, no, Nautilus, I meant. Could you PM her those answers privately, under the assumption that she would ask them if she were here? Otherwise we will be waiting a long time, since she won't be available for at least an hour or two or so. :c

Nah, can't do that. :(

What messages players may or may not get and questions players may or may not ask are up to the player that these messages/questions revolve around to ask them. I've been fairly consistent with the players sending questions to me on their own, and I'd rather not spontaneously accept questions by proxy, sorry.

Anyways, I'm going to bed now but I will handle the vote tally in the morn. o/

i'mma be putting this out here real quick so i don't forget Vote: eleni

tiki, i'll hug! gimme a mo' to finish off lucas' shoulder though, it's a difficult cut