Hmmm.
@ Rasei:
Rasei wrote:I dont know how much I can say, but think about rollover and timing. I only know what you tell.
Question. I... think you can answer this given what Tiki's been sharing, so did you ever act on deo during the course of the game? And if so, was this N0 or D1 (or N1??)? I think I understand what you actually did, but the clarity doesn't hurt if you're able to provide it.
The reason I want to double-check is...
Tiki the Troll wrote:Having read and reread my result I got from N1, I still don't believe this. Unless someone can fake being another player, or once again, I'm given a role that lies to me.
Tiki the Troll wrote:I don't think it's saying too much that I know that exactly one person had acted on Deo
My interpretation of events between the present Cure got (and how she got it) and Tiki's results initially didn't line up, but I think I now have a better idea of what Rasei actually did, which leaves Tiki's singular result as interesting to me (originally, I thought he'd see Rasei, too).
@ Tiki
Did the results say
Aeiou or
Yazawa Nico or
Aeiou, who is Yazawa Nico? I'm guessing it's the first one. So if this is the case...
Tiki the Troll wrote:Aeiou was tailored to look like Nico.
...or...
A Mafia sent in the NK on Deo dressed as Nico/Aeiou.
This would seem likely. Hmmm. From checking the reactions to the idol flip, as far as I can tell no one has made apparent unyielding skepticism (even after the Harmony/Discord clarifications, p.s. thanks for those, hostezz ;w;!) or hinted at Aeiou not being Nico other than Tiki, and Tiki has mostly cited his results and just tried to analyze the situation, whereas if he knew he was Nico he wouldn't have doubts. Unless... someone literally forgot their idol's name
because they're not idol trash like some of us or wasn't paying attention, then I don't know what to make of this. Wait to see if someone else flips as Nico or if BiBi in rollover implicates Aeiou in any way?
@ Aeiou
Aeiou wrote:Although its unfortunate I dont have much to offer? I didnt send in the NK and I'm not sure what Tiki saw?? It's also a strange gambit as maf!tiki so I think Tiki did see something but I don't know if maybe something got redirected possibly... redirect is in the roles. That's really the only thing I can think of.
Since you're citing redirection as a possibility, you did perform an action on N0? If so, which target was it on? Or did you mean you were suggesting his role got redirected onto another target, like what Cure asked before Tiki clarified re: it'd be results on deo or role failure?
Re: Sammiya and plot
We've more-or-less asked Sammiya, but, plot, would you say the role you received is weak or strong? I agree with a comment I saw that role removal feels inherently anti-town... and additionally, it seems to operate on different phases? The three gifts were Cure (which Rasei has claimed), Sammiya, and plot. Sammiya got hers on D1, whereas plot got hers on N2. Hmmm. I also don't know if I find it likely that town would have two gifting-esque roles, since Rasei had something like one such and has definitively flipped town.
This said, Sammiya was stunned both on N0 and the night after she received a present. The N0 stun can go either way in terms of alignment, I think, but the N1 stun feels a lot more mafia-leaning. I can't really see a town stunning Sammiya two nights in a row, or even following up on a stun from another target that has a higher probability of being mafia solely due to the usual balance of controlling effects. If Sammiya's present was mafia-originating, would they still stun her, if it was a mafia stun? If they controlled both roles, it's possible they may not know what she got, though that feels like a really weird mafia role if they take her role and give her a random one, and then end up stunning her out of using it. The alternative would be Sammiya's present came from town and mafia stunned her from using it--though it still could've been a town stun.