Paw Enforcement [BEARS WIN]

I'm here! I finally caught up ;0; there were so many posts before rollover and I was busy during lunch I couldn't catch up until now. I'm going to have to think on things some more. It's super tricky that anyone you shoot also gets a gun because obviously you don't want town losing bulletproofs but at the same time you don't want mafia with guns. The voting for yourself and getting two guns is interesting and I didn't even think of that being a thing. But yeah I'm on mobile and heading out so I'm holding off on opinions just yet!

I'm popping in to say that I'm about to head into work; it's 9:10am EST right now and I'll be home around 6:30pm EST. So if anybody has questions to ask me, I won't be able to answer them until after 6:30pm EST!! Hopefully I'll have a little more to say then and before rollover.

Ok this is pretty hard haha everything is like a double edged sword tbh
like I wouldnt mind lux having a gun in the least but at the same time I think lux is town so I'd hate for lux to lose bulletproof and be vulnerable esp because if she is town she is super helpful which is a great asset.

Doing sort of a pool of x amount of players I think is helpful for town cooperation but at the same time you lower mafia's pool of people to try and NK if that makes sense. I MEAN ITS STILL BETTER THAN SINGLING SOMEOEN OUT.

I feel like I could trust Alca and Lux most. Obviously Alca dont shoot yourself.
Rasei is being pretty defensive and I feel like thats town rasei but at the same time its been awhile since Ive played with maf rasei. Is maf rasei that defensive?
There was a lot of noise around Dran, although it seems cleared up and he ended up going along with the plan. I dont think the activity vote was too strange or out of place though. Pretty nuetrel feelings on Dran atm
Gerry hasnt said much of anything so it's hard to say much in either way on him just yet lol. Gerry let us have some thoughts when you can.
I feel like Tiki isnt saying as much as normal? But at the same time I know he's sick and there was at least one post of decent substance. Neutral camp
Blaire likes bears. Hasnt said a whole lot but thats pretty par for the course I think lmao. Neutral again. Id love more Blaire thoughts
Ezz has been pretty quiet but I know she said she hasnt caught up on the thread yet and was in pain and also timezones. So neutral
Ninfia has seemed pretty helpful and I'm ok with trusting gut reads on her being town leaning for now.
Katze is a pretty big enigma right now? There was a lot of back and forth with Lux, and I think everyone can agree with Dran that they couldnt both be mafia lol and out of the two I'd say Katze is mafia but they could both be town.

BASICALLY IM LUKEWARM ON EVERYONE
People I trust more: Lux, Alca, Ninfia
The rest I might just vote on by post activity which can be unfair to people who were just busy! so least to most likely to vote on might be something like
Dran, Tiki/Rasei, Blaire/Katze, Ezz/Gerry

But yeah thats mostly based on hey I havent seen you post/contribute much and I know some of them have just been busy so who really knows.
As for who I'd like to get a gun is tricky haha, but if theres some direction from thread we can all mostly agree on and the person goes against it then they'd be pointed out as scummy without good reasoning. So I feel like even if maf got a gun they would likely still pick from whoever town thought were good targets. And it'd obviously look awfully suspicious if they shot someone who was also the NK target so if mafia had the gun I dont know that theyd NK and shoot the same person.

I just realized, looking through this (feeling a bit better, though not 100%), that the strategy here...involves stealing my schtick.

It should have been ME who voted for myself!

SHOOT BOTH SHOOT BOTH

might as well, since you're obvs a high priority target, so go out with not just one bang, but two! even if you shoot two townies, i think thats worth the risk, but then again im all for those in these games, so

but man it'd be hilarious if alca was maf all along haha

Umm, I honestly fairly strongly believe that drandahl is mafia! I wasn't going to say anything but I have seen a few posts trusting him, and so I wanted to put this out there.

It's less about his vote on Mr. Gerbear and more his reactions in thread. The way he kept inconsistently wavering back and forth, the way he phrased his posts to throw shade without outright accusing anyone, and the way his primary form of defense was to express suspicion on the people who suspected him in return. I haven't played in a while, so perhaps this is how he always is, but I kind of wanted to hear thoughts on it. ;v; It is mostly just gut feeling on my end, I suppose, but I also suppose it's always just gut feeling for me. I am not very good at quoting people and playing detective like some people on this forum are.

It is, honestly, very likely that I will send a shot in his direction! Unless anyone wants to convince me otherwise. I understand that by naming a player as someone I am likely to target, it lets mafia know that this player will likely be stripped of their killproof during that night, but also as I mentioned I am not convinced drandahl is town, and so this is not a concern for me at the moment.

@Mr. Alice, like I said, if behave in an anti-town way during the night and am not NK'd, you are welcome to lynch me. If I am mafia and behave in a pro-town way, then town just forced mafia to use their guns in a pro-town way, and so it is a net positive for town.

wow I have finally caught up between all my errands today and I have so many regrets right now why did I join this game I just want to sleep

After thinking about it a bit, I would also like to add that I am somewhat suspicious of Tiki The Troll, mainly because his posts haven't really seemed that pro-town so far. I'm not that suspicious of Mr. Alice, but I honestly could not tell you why. ;v;

I would also like to hear more from Mr. Gerbear and ezzelin once they're fully caught up and able to post. ;v;

Umm, also! I won't be shooting only off my own suspicions. I will definitely take thread's opinions into account. I just wanted to offer mine. I think it seems as if Luxaria is most suspicious of Mr. Gerbear and Tiki The Troll (though that may have changed now that Mr. Gerbear has posted) and Aeiou is most suspicious of Rasei and Katze?

alcasync wrote:It's less about his vote on Mr. Gerbear and more his reactions in thread. The way he kept inconsistently wavering back and forth, the way he phrased his posts to throw shade without outright accusing anyone, and the way his primary form of defense was to express suspicion on the people who suspected him in return. I haven't played in a while, so perhaps this is how he always is, but I kind of wanted to hear thoughts on it. ;v; It is mostly just gut feeling on my end, I suppose, but I also suppose it's always just gut feeling for me. I am not very good at quoting people and playing detective like some people on this forum are.

Alca, it was D1, so I wasn't going to have enough info to accuse anyone. Still, I wanted to get/keep discussion going, so I spoke from how I felt. And as of right now, I think the only players I was suspicious of were
*You and Blaire, for the timing of and reaction to my vote on Gerry. You've pretty effectively explained your reasoning, and after all discussion is done, I am tending towards believing you. I think the pushback on the Gerry vote just felt really similar to the pushback on the Ninfia vote in my last game by Blaire and Five, in which case Ninfia and Five were mafia.
--Also, I was suspicious because the wording in my vote post was "[vote] until he lets us know he's alive and town." which I thought was clear enough that I would unvote him in that case. So, I was suspicious of people who were suspicious of me, because I thought they were throwing shade.
*Rasei, early-on for gut reactions. I still don't agree with those initial gut reactions. I think I just can't read Rasei.

I still understand if you want to shoot me for info reasons, but I want to make sure to explain my reactions before you make your decision.

Sorry. Been kinda hard to focus on all the worrrrrrrrds with my head kinda swimming.

In that regard though, I wouldn't be the worst target, given how hard it can be for me to focus like this.

i....am so....touched.....chokes back a sob

where even is five rn i feel bad i totally forgot about them

sorry, not really in a mindset to write anything coherent, and tired so gonna sleep. I'll try to be more active tomorrow, shouldn't be quite as busy as today at least.

alcasync wrote:@Mr. Alice, like I said, if behave in an anti-town way during the night and am not NK'd, you are welcome to lynch me. If I am mafia and behave in a pro-town way, then town just forced mafia to use their guns in a pro-town way, and so it is a net positive for town.

+1

Plus more talkative people have more opportunities to get caught if they're mafia.

Aeiou and alcasync are great people, look at those posts. We should all aspire to such greatness.

Re: Tiki and Gerry
I don't have any strong opinions right now, as with most players. There are some players I'm relatively okay with, and others I'm not opposed to opening up. So for example, Ninfia has this generally pro-town feel, but beyond that I have no reason to really trust her. I don't feel immediately threatened by Blaire or Rasei, but I'm not about to lower their perceived threat.

Tiki and Gerry are the same. However, my gun approach is not inherently, "These are the people I think are scummy" so much as right now "These are the people that are low activity and them losing killproof has interesting consequences on the state of the game." Since our only information is the result of these consequences, this is the best way I can evaluate these players. I also do not want to give them guns because I do not expect them to make an informed decision in its use. Certain others I would have originally trusted with a gun or been unsure about will probably end up in that category after initial jitters. Tbh Blaire has mentally been in the "do not" largely because the image of Blaire firing off guns is terrifying. She is too precious for that.

Re: Dylan
Dylan has been tough. As I said D1, I was and am willing to lynch him, but I wasn't sure about giving him a gun. Since then it's been hard to gauge because Dylan has the unfortunate side-effect of typically being viewed as scummy and taken out early, and sometimes it's just down to poor timing or misunderstandings. I don't have any strong opinions on that just yet, but I included the "not shot(?)" because his focus is always analytical work and that's not a bad voice to have when the thread has mainly been Lux, alca, Dylan, Rasei, and sometimes katze for a while. In all honesty, he'd probably be good to lose killproof for the aforementioned evaluation of consequences.

Re: Others
Most people haven't really set off warning flags, but most people haven't really been posting much. So for example, posts by Aeiou, Mr. Alice, and Rasei haven't really parsed as too dangerous, but there's less reason to view them as someone that's possibly pro-town like alca. Aeiou is still in my camp of people I feel wouldn't be terrible to give a gun to because I think she always does two things: Flies under the radar, and doesn't imprint on others in a way that firmly categorizes her. So I'd like to see what she'd do once killproof-less and with a gun. I think if she's town, her thought process (which is usually undervalued) would lead to a reasonable target.

This said I realize this game has increasingly become more controlled in terms of gun distribution and target selection, so I may have to modify my reads on people.

Tl;dr:
Absence of Tiki, Ninfia, and ezzelin stands out to me, but Ninfia has at least felt low-concern insofar, and my early reads of ezzelin were predicated on trusting her rationality and logic. Rasei, Mr. Alice, and Aeiou haven't really pinged my radar either which way. Dylan and katze are in no-man's-land where I appreciate their contributions, but I think I don't mind opening them up. We know nothing on Mr. Gerbear, and I wouldn't mind attempting to tackle that question mark. alcasync has felt pro-town enough that she is low-priority at the moment and I'd prefer to cooperate with her to learn more. I realize some activity levels are out of player control and do not judge them for it, but we need to gather answers going forward all the same.

edit: Some posts came in but this doesn't affect mine, so we're good.

Mr. Alice wrote:where even is five rn

She's not actually playing, and I am grumpy at her for it, as seen in my edit yesterday.

edit2: this post is too long.
edit3: I forgot to mention last night, but hey, yo, dylan, I can totally be unpredictable and a wildcard too. I'm so unpredictable you didn't even know this sentence would

drandahl wrote:Also, I was suspicious because the wording in my vote post was "[vote] until he lets us know he's alive and town." which I thought was clear enough that I would unvote him in that case.

Given that it seemed likely at the time that Mr. Gerbear would never return that phase (and indeed, he didn't return until this phase because apparently he was on vacation!) then it would have been convenient if he never showed up, you left your vote on him "because he never came into thread," and then obtained a gun that way. Since that didn't end up coming to pass, I am obviously no longer concerned that your vote was a ploy to get a gun, but that is what I was wary of in the moment. But I think we've already made our thoughts clear, and I am not particularly interested in pushing a lynch on you so much as just wanting to express my suspicions and ask what everyone else thinks. Thank you for clarifying your position, though, especially regarding the intentions of your posts on me and Mr. Alice! I think I am at the point where you have addressed everything I have mentioned, and now I would like to hear more from the other people who are being named as candidates in thread, namely Tiki The Troll, Rasei, Mr. Gerbear, and I think katze(?).

I don't necessarily think Rasei is mafia, though I do understand the suspicions on her (for her defensiveness, I think?). I don't actually think katze is mafia at all. But I do think that for the people who don't outright suspect Rasei and katze, they do trust Rasei and katze with guns, so...? ;v;

@ezzelin, I understand that rollover is at a very inconvenient time for you, and that you seem to have real life things that you are busy with. I hope that you will be able to share your thoughts soon. ;v;

I am also willing to give Mr. Gerbear a pass for a phase for the same reason I am willing to give ezzelin a pass. There is a lot to catch up on, even though it is only Night 1!

@Luxaria, who ninja'd my post! Umm and everyone else too, I suppose. Can you expand on your thoughts on Ninfia and ezzelin? I feel like other players seem to know them better than I do.

wait if five isnt even playing why even mention them, dran wth

AND I CAN TOTALLY GUN!! I CAN GUN REALLY GOOD!!!