Vampires win! COTN

vote: drandahl

... I think given this development I have a really loose idea of who's what role in this thread, but I'm not 100% sure on it quite yet.

The only way that I can see this not being a redirect is that drandahl is the werewolf and cannot target themselves, but then that begs the question why mafia wouldn't prefer to wolfvote the anti-mafia vigilante out yesterday (especially since they know the werewolf's identity) over someone who claimed vanilla town and generally was willing to be led to the lynch?

Also re: drandahl being investigated by Alice: interestingly enough Alice didn't vote on d1 but did on d2, and their only vote this entire game was on drandahl

Okay, you guys are really going to hate reading this (and I really should have said this BEFORE nautilus suggested it, and possibly before last night phase ended), but...

I am the wolfer. And btw, I prefer "wolfer", not "wolfy", for those listening in at home. At some point I decided I'd go for the solo-wolf win, but it looks like I've flown too close to the sun. I should have pushed harder on driving more of a pact between town and werewolf early on.

I was VERY frustrated last round, because: YOU. GUYS. WOULDN'T. STOP. TALKING. ABOUT. ME. I was trying to drive discussion through other people to get some help on my decision last night, but at the end of the day I got nowhere and had to go on my best instinct. When I left the thread after my last post, the rest of that discussion was useless because I had already sent in my vote (sorry for the small waste on your time).

Before anyone asks, no, I did not target AofZ. I don't know why AofZ targeted me the other night; I wish they were here to explain themselves now. I targeted High Seraph. vote: High Seraph, though that really won't do me any good due to mafpire vote. Again before anyone asks, I didn't completely suspect High Seraph. They were just at the top of my suspect list. I'm not certain who the other mafia is, though I still have my thoughts posted previously for what it's worth.

Alca, I know this sounds bad, and so before you say it, I will: "You're digging yourself deeper, drandahl." (since you've something similar to that in another game when I was legitimately mafia). But this time I'm not, so I hope you believe my less-than-open behavior. Trust me, if you knew the allure of the solo-wolf win, you'd consider your position similarly.

Ugh, and before I forget, regarding that tie-vote: I don't think my vote was redirected. I'd imagine from the perspective of the mafpires, they were in a "lose"-"chance-of-win" situation.

Shame on you, drandahl, trying to claim my role.

RIP Solo Wolf 2015 - 2015

Wolf never really wanted to go solo wolf in the first place, if the obvious role hints throughout this entire thread and the size 28 vote font was any clue. ;v;

Also I prefer wolfy.

((Sorry, Alca, breaking my promise of letting other people get their say in before the tl;dr. It's important we get town on the same page so even the less active players can get the right vote in before rollover, since your vote is effectively null right now.))

The 28pt font was a bit of a giveaway, yes, among other things. I debated mentioning it, but you suggested that you would role claim today. I don't even know if you would've been able to solo wolfy it, since there's been such a heavy emphasis on role claiming for our strategy.

I'm kind of tired and not in the mood to delve into it right this moment, but for now I will say that I believe Alca's claim, and I've viewed most of Drandahl's actions as rather scummy. Alca practically soft-claimed, and then immediately voted Drandahl following the rollover after suggesting all day that he should be investivig'd. Drandahl's contention is that he voted for High Seraph. He then tried to pre-empt Alca in his post--and bear in mind, the vampires know which player is the werewolf, so it seems rather pointed to indicate her.

Regardless of which you believe, a town would not claim werewolf, so one is werewolf, and the other is mafia. This also means that for us to get a lynch off, EVERY TOWN has to vote for the same target or the mafia can control the vote.

Also, something to consider. Alcasync soft-claimed werewolf, did an attack on the night, got misdirected onto AliceofOz, immediately voted Drandahl, then hard-claimed werewolf.

Drandahl hard-claimed werewolf, claimed an attack on High Seraph, "got misdirected onto AliceofOz", and immediately voted High Seraph.

If Alca were actually a vampire, and she knows Drandahl is the werewolf as a result, then why do any of what she just did? It only makes sense if High Seraph is mafia, but if that's the case, why risk it? Since she did the counter-claim, that means one of the claimers is mafia. If we lynch or kill Drandahl and he's wolf, then she's clearly mafia, and she's protecting (or framing?) High Seraph. But... she immediately voted Drandahl without knowing which target he would've used his attack on. He might've actually chosen AliceofOz and it wasn't a redirect. Further, Drandahl had made no suggestion of being the wolf prior to rollover. Even if the vampires immediately want to kill Drandahl to limit investivig (like Kiyo and Alca even mentioned early on), Alca is doing so in the most hamfisted way as possible as mafia.

The only possible excuse that might save her would be, "Well, the wolf clearly couldn't kill Drandahl, and we agreed to kill him, so that makes Drandahl suspect! Get him!" In this case, it's the mafia putting a target on Drandahl all night long--knowing he's werewolf--and telling him that he has to kill himself, with the obvious implication that he'd get framed the next day. Why wouldn't Drandahl go for Alcasync, in this case, if his objective is to scout vampires? He's so clearly being targeted by someone. Actually, why wouldn't he even role claim right then? He never claimed a role D2 and N2. Even if he had solo wolf in mind, it's an obvious setup by mafia to try and get him killed or lynched... and then what? What is mafia's end goal in implicating the wolf? Town lynches wolf under suspicion of vampire and then, oh, he's actually wolf--and hey this person over here counter-claimed wolf to get the wolf killed. Wonder what alignment they are.

No, Drandahl is not the wolf. He has to be a vampire. He knows which player is the wolf and very specifically tried to guide them away from attacking him all night without claiming. Further, I'm with #teamAlice in that I suspect she got an investigation on him and followed advice from earlier in the thread (I believe Nautilus?) that she should try and push a lynch in Drandahl's favor without role claiming.

Tl;dr: Drandahl is a vampire. Alcasync is the wolf. On the incredibly unlikely, 0% chance that we mislynch the wolf here, we don't actually jeopardize our ratio because it's killing a neutral, and then that'd mean Alcasync is a vampire (she's not) and we get her D4 at 3:2. Further, whichever doesn't get lynched is just going to probably die N3 because if mafia kills anyone else, we can just mass role claim to figure them out. Actually, we can probably still do that anyway, though it's not as certain with the monster hunter dead.

Also, everyone vote Drandahl or the vampires can control the votes.

Ha, vote: drandahl. No ties today pls

And to address drandahl's vote: I like to think that my activity, although low, has been sufficiently effective. I did voice my concern about pushing a tie during the previous lynch but I really had no means to change everyones mind about it. I also didnt want to cast a random vote, so I was going through the thread to check up on everyone. In the end, I didnt want to participate in the tie scheme, but I didnt think an individual such as myself had the right to ruin towns plan? So I just abstained, even though I was online long enough.

Vote: Drandahl
Bleh, sorry I haven't been active. Been distracted by my niece and nephew like Rasei mentioned, along with some other stuff.

On that note, what have you gathered about the reactions of others in these past several hours?

(sorry, multi-post)

Okay so now that that whole drandahl situation is worked out, let's move on to the other mafia.

I'm finally posting the big post I've been saving since last night.

Of these remaining 6 players, two are town power roles, one is wolf, and one is mafia. I was hesitant about posting this because it only paints targets for the remaining mafia's NK target, but I need information on the last three names on this list.

alcasync - Claimed wolf.

Luxaria - Has pushed the "Everyone claim" strategy and has generally been playing very pro town. Plus other hints in her posts that make me pretty much 95% convinced that she is town.

high seraph - drandahl's tunneling aside, I actually caught a hint pretty early on in thread as to high seraph's behavior. I'm pretty sure he's town. That said, it makes no sense for drandahl to tunnel his teammate unless he was certain that high seraph wouldn't actually be lynched, because if we lynch high seraph and high seraph flips maf, drandahl still doesn't look innocent because all I would have to do is counterclaim to ruin everything.

Rasei - I'm more inclined to think that Rasei is town based on her reactions to being voted, and for the way she's been playing. However, I don't really have any solid reads on Rasei at this point.

nautilus - I actually have mixed feelings about nautilus. On one hand, nautilus has been playing the same way she always does (albeit less active than normal because of irl stuff I think!), on the other hand, nautilus was the only person aside from me in drandahl's suspicions list that he did not suspect. So I haven't really come to any real conclusions on that.

Sammiya - Hasn't been around at all really, so it's hard to get a good read on her.

If I had to suggest a lynch order, I would go from the bottom up.

So those are my thoughts. I would love for other people to contribute. ;v; Except drandahl who is a sparkly blood sucker who should go away.

vote:drandarl I starT class today

I'll contribute reads sometime soon, Alca! I figure there's no rush since today is basically Lynch Drandahl day, and we'll have 24 hours to discuss things further.

I believe at this point that everyone has voted for Drandahl, if I'm counting correctly?

Alcasync: Drandahl
Luxaria: Drandahl
Nautilus: Drandahl
High Seraph: Drandahl
Sammiya: Drandahl
Rasei: Drandahl
Drandahl: High Seraph

So, he will soon be dead. I'm not sure what the triple post was about, but I suppose it's irrelevant at this point.

Hmm. I think it was answered earlier in the thread, but if Drandahl is vampire lord... that means the werewolf's vote can't be controlled, but the redirect still happens, I think? Either way, we'll see if he's lord or regular in an hour. Assuming that level of specificity shows up in rollover.

That level of specificity is shown in rollover.