chinomi wrote:
i think it's about time i revealed my role because with the lack of votes today i really do fear a last minute bandwagon on me. i'm sort of like a reverse-voodoo role (is that what these roles are called? please let me know). i can target a room each night and if the room i chose contains a SINGLE mafia member then they can only post gibberish the next day so i can find mafia members if i AIM RIGHT AND TRUE which i thought would be initially useful but targeting rooms has been harder than i originally thought.
i'm not sure why my roomie hasn't claimed but i kind of believe they have a reason not to if they haven't. i'm going to stick myself to letting them come out and say it if they want to. however, i will say that i did NOT have a roomie last night. doesn't look good on my end but i have to be truthful.
chinomi wrote:
4) It mentions that it only works if it's a mafia member who is alone in the room since my role can't successfully 'confront' and 'intimidate' them.
5) I'm not going to. I know this is scummy as hell but they obviously have a good reason not to. It may relate to their power in some way and I'm not wiling to sacrifice someone else's position in the game over saving myself.
WHY MUST YOU TURN THIS MAFIA THREAD INTO A HOUSE OF LIES?This is BS. I am sure of it, here's why.
I do not believe anybody but a mod can change player's posts in game. Naut isnt one as far as I know. This role is unenforceable. Even if the players had to promise to play nice or they'd be punished, that still makes no sense given...
In a game where mafia members are incentivized to stick together or at least with other people to avoid both suspicion and kill effects, your role essentially can only "reliably" hit the NK mafia and that's it.
That means your role would be a 1/27 shot in the dark every single time you use it. For what amounts to literally a silence effect. We're under the impression right now that Mafia not only has a silence themselves, but it's a targetable effect.
Compounding on this is the fact you are claiming your role, on top of silencing, fantastically outs somebody as Mafia for the world to see.
Kiyo was already an investigative role. You're apparently an investigative role. We have some other people who act as if they can investigate.
How many investigators do you propose town has?
For a game with such a heavy emphasis on balance, this makes 0 sense.
Yes you not wanting to reveal information is as scummy as the Alice situation where she also did not want to reveal information to clear herself.
I don't buy it. Not even a bit. I'm sorry. I will eat my hat if you flip as Town.
Mr. Alice wrote:umm not quite sure if i want to answer this yet, just in case it's one of things where it's bad if maf knows
Luxaria wrote:You target a player with it, correct?
my answer's gonna be about the same with the above reply, but i will say that my reluctance in answering both of these is mostly due to me like, not being sure if it's something that would ONLY be able town
Luxaria wrote:Do you have this role for the rest of the game? And will it be your only role?
i don't wanna say it outright
Luxaria wrote:Is there anything else you can tell us?
if enough people weigh in on whether it'd be more helpful or not to explicitly answer them, i can see how i feel about it then?
Look I'm sorry for needing to go Good Cop / Grumpy Cop on you with Luxaria here with her offering you treats and me eating it in front of you, but you need to talk a bit.
You are in a situation where if you are town, town doesn't trust you and Mafia is extremely aware of your situation. If they see you as a threat and they want to kill you, they will do it if they have the means. If they framed you, mafia is smart enough to know what's a wise kill.
And a vig role, even if it's active every other night when a player has died before who's name starts with a "J" and exactly 5 votes were cast, is still a useful enough threat that if they could get rid of you they would.
You will have died without giving anybody any information or being useful to town in the slightest and we will be left facepalming.
If you are Mafia, town still does not trust you, and you not revealing information makes you a larger and more suspicious threat. Enough so that you may be lynched in the coming days just because there is virtually nobody else as scummy as you ended up by not letting this information out to help town plan around it.
In either situation, whatever alignment you are, it is advantageous for you to give information. So I don't strictly understand why you're not. I think you really have to give us a bit more to go off of, but that's just me.
Alice wrote:@T3t: i explained the invisible bullet thing! not sure if you missed that edit, or if it's still unclear, but again, it doesn't really mean anything according to nautilus, so just think of it as a normal bullet? holla if that still doesn't make sense, i'll try harder :'(
I saw that after I posted, it got lost in my several post reference tabs I have open, it makes sense.
And a quick reference to the neutral role.
Killing neutral roles are not unheard of. And I feel like if our room exploding role from earlier is anything, it's one of them. If there's any element of randomness to it like was suggested earlier I don't think it would be a Mafia role due to how closely balanced the hosts tried to make this. If Mafia gets hit with it's own killing role it is massively disadvantageous and would tip the entire game in the wrong direction.
Consider this as well.
The neutral role has not been contested.
They killed Kiyo first. They may have a win condition that says "Kill X amount of people" or "Destroy X amount of rooms with people in it" or something similar. Kiyo is one of the big hitters in terms of investigation based on speculation and she has been posting a big info dump whenever she could. She likely would have been suggesting the same thing.
And honestly with the fact that it only hits after I think it was 2 nights will no kills, that seems counter productive to mafia's goal of getting a night kill every night.
That's my take on it anyway. I just don't think it adds up. I could be completely wrong, but I feel based on the information we have it's the most likely scenario.