Prototype Trials #Ex0039R16-CWLu17-0A1 [Mafia Wins]

No wait it did mention a Penguin thing! At mum and dads rn but will elaborate later

It's past midnight. Fire alarm went off in building. Evacuating to play pokemon go til it shuts off fuck this

Will spec and vote tomorrow

Tinylightsflash wrote:That said Lucas' flavour mentions a scry and try function and that it allows for testing without being in the room. I guess that might mean Lucas can use the abilities of the person who has the ball? That would explain why he didn't want it given back.

Sammiya had the ball the night of all that stuff with the message that changed, didn't she?

Sammie was a driver.

This flavor hints at him having a role copy linked to the ball, and apparently says nothing that would indicate a bulletproof?

ezzelin are you sure we weren't driven because I cannot explain the message change otherwise

Alternatively, the bit about not needing to be in the room to do a thing? Is he hidden from watcher results? Mr. Junpei Lucasington, what do you say about all this?

#Ex55555 \"Phive" wrote:
ezzelin are you sure we weren't driven because I cannot explain the message change otherwise

The only ones that visited me that night were Tiki and Rasei.
Tiki visiting I figured meant the whole appearing in his message /the side effect that you redirected (though I guess I can't really confirm this). And Rasei claimed the suit and correctly identified me as a watcher.

If we were driven, with the driver specifically targeting me in any way - like swapping us, or redirecting from me to you, they would have appeared in my results along with the one whose action they drove to me. The only way a redirect would not have appeared in my results is if they were redirecting from you to a random person, and just happened to hit me.

ETA

#Ex55555 \"Phive" wrote:That's a very interesting reveal. I can't help but wonder what error was significant enough to merit this.

This was going to happen anyway, it just happened sooner than it was originally supposed to. And a few side-effects were changed that you need not worry about.

welp I guess I'll unvote and uh

go from here.

im going to montreal this weekend for my sister's bachelorette weekend so I'll be scarce but I'll post as much as I can today.

e2zelin wrote:

#Ex55555 \"Phive" wrote:That's a very interesting reveal. I can't help but wonder what error was significant enough to merit this.

This was going to happen anyway, it just happened sooner than it was originally supposed to. And a few side-effects were changed that you need not worry about.

Oh, is this what you meant by becoming more powerful over time, earlier?

Anyway, a couple things to address. First, I don't put much stock in Kiyo throwing me on her list. The Ezz reveal, while a good thing, threw off a lot of long-held spec. Actually, kind of reminds me of this, that was drawn for our Luxxie after another game had to be publicly rebalanced. I would like to hear from her after a good night's sleep, though.

The second thing to address, Lucas' ball. With it looking like it may not quite be what Lucas said it was, something occurs to me. We've had three roles that handed out items, right?

1. Blaire - Dolls
   
2. Katagi - Pen
   
3. Lucas - Ball

Do we think it's likely that all item roles would be Town roles? If not, well, Blaire and Katagi have both been revealed as Town, after having gotten the boot from this game. I'm not sure if this is me just stretching after having spec get a little garbled, but something worth thinking about? =/

I'm very worried about Kiyoko. I feel like she very well may be mafia, and if that really is her ability, we could have big trouble if someone targeted her even if we don't mislynch today.

Unless we lynch her.

My friends, this is a scary, scary day phase. I wish we could use that phase extension again.

@Five

I swear to god I am town and that is my full ability. I feel like even if I haven't revealed it in full until now, I at least have been truthful about what I revealed since the start of D2, which is when I actually had information to share.

If I were mafia, I'd be lying about my ability anyway, so I don't think my ability being dangerous is really grounds to lynch me "just in case" on a lylo phase. Additionally, if I were mafia and truthful about my ability, katagi would have been dead by N2 and this game would be over by now.

fwiw, this is part of the reason I've been second-guessing Tiki this phase. My interpretation of his ability is that he's like Five from Crossroads where he's stunner + vig but is only able to kill the NK sender. I left it alone because I figured if that was the case then he had 1x use vig, and I had 1x use vig, and 2x use town vig isn't too unreasonable in the long-run. But given the weird things that have been happening with Tiki's messages (Rasei saying his message said he stole a vote) and the fact that he apparently visited ezz on the same night Rasei visited and the fact that Tiki is not dead, I'm kind of starting to doubt that stun+vig is Tiki's role at all.

Tiki visiting ezzelin was almost definitely a result of his "action" on me being redirected to ezzelin. I'm sure of this one, even though there was technically no action taken on me. I've effectively been told by the host that if I absorb some sort of consequence it counts as an "action" on me and can be redirected. If Tiki is mafia, someone hatched a plan to make him look good and put it into action very quickly because he started hinting about his ability as early as night 0. This reminds me of him in symphonic mafia where he was very excited about his role and drew attention to it very early.

I don't know what to make of the vote stealing. Is it perhaps related to the garbled vote on day 1? We haven't really seen any recurrence of that or explanation for it. Rasei's vote is also normal so far in the tally, and... I don't know. This game is weird.

#Ex55555 \"Phive" wrote:This game is weird.

This, basically.

Will post properly a bit later, trying to do a few things + kinda processing the little information we have.

Also.

#Ex55555 \"Phive" wrote:Tiki visiting ezzelin was almost definitely a result of his "action" on me being redirected to ezzelin. I'm sure of this one, even though there was technically no action taken on me. I've effectively been told by the host that if I absorb some sort of consequence it counts as an "action" on me and can be redirected. If Tiki is mafia, someone hatched a plan to make him look good and put it into action very quickly because he started hinting about his ability as early as night 0. This reminds me of him in symphonic mafia where he was very excited about his role and drew attention to it very early.

I don't know what to make of the vote stealing. Is it perhaps related to the garbled vote on day 1? We haven't really seen any recurrence of that or explanation for it. Rasei's vote is also normal so far in the tally, and... I don't know. This game is weird.

OH
Is that why you feel better about Sammie, and about the message she got? Well, that explains a lot. As for the message Rasei got...I think I actually know what's up with that. I just didn't indicate otherwise because I still felt Rasei was (and is) a solid candidate for votes, and I didn't want to add more confusion to an already confusing game.

But with you explaining that situation, and Kiyo outing my role, I feel I have to say more about my role. And that it's...not entirely what you're thinking. 'Cause see, with the messages players I acted upon get, they were designed for the express purpose of getting me killed...because I'm much more powerful when dead...

Yep. I put Fool as one of my submitted roles. As a result, I must pick a target to stun every night (if I don't, I stun a randomized target), and they get a message that makes me look bad...and...no...I can't kill anyone. This isn't the love child of my Symphony role, and Five's Crossroads role. I figured it would be good to fake though, as it let me explain away my role's intentionally blatant scumminess, while also making me look like a threat.

Because, see, I figured a living Town stunner, while not as good as what I become, was still a strong enough role to keep around, if only for the +1 to the ratio (and because my postmortem role, while better, isn't all that different from my living one). I also figured, the sooner I could get my messages out of central discussion, the better, so they wouldn't be distracting. Moreover, by making you guys comfortable with me, I figured we'd be less apt to waste a Day Phase lynching me, when I could instead be killed off by the Mafia, who could be thinking, "Tiki's role sounds strong, we need to kill him." Because me receiving the NK would have been far more ideal than anyone else getting offed.

I still think Five is town, though, and Kiyoko for that matter, because if they knew the role I claimed, I still think they woulda targeted me. And I don't think it's a case of Five being blocked from an NK on N0, and seeing through my BS, because I don't think any sane Mafia team would have Five send out the N0 NK. See: the Glen Coco Effect and discussion on D1.

So in the end...sorry, Five. =(

Oh! Rasei's message. Well...like an idiot, I didn't specify something last night phase...because one of five messages get sent to people (including, but not limited to, "Tiki is Mafia," heh...). So, I didn't specify the failed kill message...and Rasei got the fake "vote stolen" message, leading to an early clusterfuck of confusion...sorry. >.<

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I HOPE THIS ISN'T FURTHER CONFUSING

Ninja'd: Ezz, that's brilliant. Thank you for sharing.

............what

If you're much more powerful when dead why did you not simply eat the lynch day 1 why did you make this elaborate fiction about a role that does not exist why why why why

I totally believe you put Fool as one of your chosen roles, though. That absolutely sounds like something you would do. I just... Argh. I don't know. Lots of lying this game. I don't love it.

I'm sorry. =( i hope you're not too annoyed.

As for the Plot question...wow, that's a good point, I'm an idiot. >.< Honestly, I was caught by surprise how well my li'l fib took off. I still thought I'd be dead early, one way or the other, so I was suddenly trying to figure out what to do, whether to expose myself, or just play it up.

And seeing as I've not absorbed the NK, and we've lynched a lot of Town anyway...I made some bad choices >.<

(For the record, my death role doesn't really change my role that much. Basically just removes the messages and makes me untargetable (because I'm dead).)

Edit: Oh yeah, starting work, so before I forget (again...): Unvote.