distortion [THE END]

vote: no lynch

lol... :')... good luck town i believe in u

Phase end.

Okay, Ardonye pretty much has to be mafia at this point. Especially if Alca saw her visiting both herself and ninfia last night.

Whoever has a shovel, get to shoveling.

Like with chinomi, it seems regardless of what I do or say, you won't believe me.

With so many of your "leads" flipping town, you really have to ask yourself if the person who is "cleared town" is actually town.

I don't remember playing mafia with Crypsis, but I have played with chinomi as mafia and town. I defended chinomi because I felt chi was more town than mafia. Crypsis might not have been the best lynch target but I didn't want to lynch chi. Surprise, she was town!

Why aren't you guys having any doubts giving the string of town lynchs we've had?

I know I'm not mafia, so feel free to waste a lynch on me if you like. I wouldn't be surprised if at this point I'm practically framed for the kill. The mafia is clearly playing the long game here and losing one NK is an okay trade off if they can keep lynching under the guise of town interests.

edit: If I were to convert someone to mafia, I'd pick alcasync or Cure tbh. I'd be cautious of them.

This is only Saki's second game. The first being Crossroads, which I hosted a short while ago.

I sent in the revive on eleni. Saki, can you stun?

I sent in the stun! ^o^)/

tbh I've been wondering for the last phase if cure was either recruited or always mafia and we've been taking on a massive ruse cruise.

on the one hand its possible for anyone to make the mistake of mislynching three times in a row.

on the other hand, cure is a good mafia player and I could see her getting away with murder.

tbh, unless nye is a miller, which I don't think she is, or tailored, which I don't think she was, given when she died, I'd rather lynch/stun/test/whatever cure.

i'm not sending in any actions other than my movement tonight so feel free to watch me. It's is kind of annoying when everyone is on board with a plan and then when it doesn't pan out they all try to distance themselves from it.

I'm not changing my action and while I can't really tell Saki what to do with her shovel, I wouldn't recommend she change hers either. I think regardless of alignments, the NKs are still currently going through Ardonye and if my theory about what happened with Mr. Gerbear is correct, then stunning Ardonye should be able to block the NK. The fact that Ardonye has never been targeted for a NK since they were revived kind of supports my hypothesis I think.

Also I'm out of binoculars and I think I took Saki's last one too. ;v;

I have a pair of binoculars, I can send them to someone to watch me if they want. :V

It's kind of funny that this is somehow all landing on me now. It's not like I went "lol guys I'm town so listen to me and do what I say." I drafted out all my logic and reasoning behind my votes (It's an objectively good idea to kill off the non-clears if you have a lot of cleared people this late in the game just so you don't have to be wondering about them if you leave them alone). Chinomi flipping town was allowed for and considered a possibility. The fact that there may have only been one mafia all along was already considered a possibility. It's pretty standard mafia game procedure, you know.

No one else provided a better plan. No one was against that plan when it was proposed when Tiki/She-Ra/Chinomi were all still alive. No one seemed to aggressively think they were all town before we lynched them (other than Ardonye with Chinomi)

on the one hand its possible for anyone to make the mistake of mislynching three times in a row.

This is really rubbing me the wrong way because it's implying that all the responsibility for the last few phases falls on my shoulders, and that I'm the one making all the ~mistakes~ When no one else has really been saying we should do anything else (everyone was overwhelmingly in agreement to kill the three of them before we did anything else). You can't just wash your hands of it all and say WELL CURE IS PROBABLY MAFIA AND JUST TRYING TO TRICK US NOW GUYS!! just because they ended up being town. I was pretty open about my reasoning mostly being Process Of Elimination Everyone Else is Clear rather than "these people are inherently scummy". It's not surprising they were town, honestly.

It would be different if we had a ratio. It would be different if we knew how many mafia were left. We've been operating in the dark this entire time. If it had been advertised that there was only one mafia left before the three of them died, I might have suggested something different.

Just because I'm the one being the most vocal, doesn't mean that everyone else isn't equally responsible in that A: you still voted for these people (or shot them in the face), and B: You didn't propose an alternative suggestion.

It's so late in the game that if you decide to kill Ardonye and then kill me next, sure, go for it. I'm town but I don't actually know what I'll flip since Lucas was super open about targeting me for something a while back (he might have just been bluffing though I don't know why he would even say that).

I will say that if I were mafia, I probably would have "tried" to kill myself about three more times because I have had four first aid kits over the course of this game and wasted most of them.

you know, fair point, I could have worded that better and I am sorry for being rude. And I will agree that there weren't better plans that other people brought up. The point still stands that a lot of town lynches were lead by you. You're a very persuasive person and people tend to follow your lead, regardless of your alignment.

We're getting to the point where we do have to look at clears. Which includes both you and myself. While I think Alca's plan is pretty good and I'm still comfortable following it, you're also going to have to be looked at. this next lynch is going to be pretty vital and I personally will admit i need to stop being lazy with my spec and step up to the plate. Be the hero town deserves etc etc.

one thing I'm kind of ehh on with the plan is how public its been, and how easily maf could withhold an nk in order to frame nye and get her lynched, further pushing the ratio in mafia favour. maybe there's an elaborate message plan that I don't know about because I'm one of the suspects, and there will be a stun on me tonight instead of nye. maybe another player. who knows at this point. I can only know what I see in thread because I haven't gotten any messages in these later phases to let me in on what's going on.

I'd be willing to believe you were potentially tailored, or that you just won't flip like deo, but I dunno. if you flip blank, then I'd assume you were town, sure, but there isn't a lot of certainty going around.

We do have to consider that Alca did say Ardonye targeted both you and her last night phase. Unless Alca is mafia WITH crypsis, there's like... no way to coordinate what happened last phase (crypsis protecting alca, alca getting NKed, Alca claiming Ardonye targeted both you and her, when Ardonye actually did target you). And if Alca is mafia with Crypsis, they could have demolished the ratio quite easily now rather than wasting time NKing alca/protecting her over and over so. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Alca still has a gun.

If Ardonye flips town, or flips mafia and the game doesn't end then, ????? i honestly don't know


i haven't sent any messages the last several phases because everyone pretty much knows everything at this point and there's no real reason to.

For what it's worth, I don't think that if Ardonye is stunned and there's no NK, then Ardonye is automatically mafia. If there's a different mafia that withholds the NK in order to try to frame Ardonye, that's fine by me. My goal is to just prevent the NK for this next night, and we can discuss a lynch target during the day. And if Ardonye is stunned and there is a NK anyway, then that proves my theory wrong and then we have a lot more information to work with.

Plus, once eleni is back, we can maybe learn more about what happens after death and that might help us figure out what's going on with the ratio. ;v;