welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4]

goat rally.

plotstickers: I
drandahl: I
deo: I
AliceofOz: I
Mr. Alice: I

high seraph vs. deo
Kiyoko vs.
Luxaria vs.
Sammiya vs.
AliceofOz vs.
alcasync vs. AliceofOz
Mr. Alice vs.
T3tsuya vs. Mr. Alice
Tiki the Troll vs.
Rasei vs.
drandahl vs.
plotstickers vs.
eleni vs. drandahl
deo vs.
chinomi vs.
Ardonye vs.
Ninfia vs.
Kotakia vs. plotstickers

Link to the 24a Role List

What we know so far:

Room Claims:

Roles that Exist:

Also I'm heading out for an event thing and won't be back until late evening PST. I'll vote when I get back.

alcasync wrote:Clarifying the room locking role! Deo is exactly right. Players can't target a locked room, but they can target players in a locked room. So it's not a perfect jail since it only protects rooms and not players. (But it blocks the night kill, at least!)

The only information I've left out relates what movements/actions the role is allowed to make at night. I don't want to give that away because I think this person is town and I don't want mafia to be able to predict what they'll do at night.

And... I've been kind of ??? about drandahl too because he also hasn't been contributing too much, but the reason I didn't vote him is because he was my room partner last night so he couldn't have laid the NK trap. (I don't think you should change your vote though, eleni, because you can only change once.)

I'm okay with the activity rule! ;v;

Ok, given that you're claiming that the entirety of the jailer role says specifically that you can't target a locked room, but you can target a -player- in the locked room, leads me to believe that the silencer role was not just a shot in the dark. There are roles that specifically target players and this is now confirmed.

If anyone has any reason to believe that the silencer role, which is probably one of the most direct roles you could have, is likely to still be random I would like to hear the logic behind it. But as of right now this bit of information is making my suspicions we talked about with Mr Alice earlier go nuts.

If the target was not an accident, the selection really bothers me.

I can understand why people would not want to lynch Mr Alice because they haven't had a chance to defend themselves, but like I said before, I think even in a case like that we have more to gain than lose. If not only for the fact that this is really all we have to go off of at this point.

Yes Mr Alice could be a power role. But so could anyone we're going to lynch tonight in general based on the information we have. Alice, drandahl, anyone who's been voted thus far. Until we have more solid leads we must assume everyone is the most powerful role possible at all times. But at the same time, we can't just keep NLing. There's gotta be a choice.

Also, on drandahl. I legitimately forgot they were playing, they have been so silent. That's always fairly suspicious to me, but I still think the silencing role being played out on probably one of the least useful people is more suspicious.

I am leaning toward voting Mr Alice after being given the new information by Alcasync. I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on why or why this is not a good idea. Not as much to make a decision, but to poll everyone's thought process on why either town or mafia would target her.

hmmm! so many thoughts in the thread from while I was at work/on my way home.

I did note earlier that I was probably leaning towards another no lynch myself just to be perfectly transparent. It seems illogical to me to lynch based on what we have. if pressed to vote for a person, that would be hard for me!

on one hand, I see the WIFOM logic in lynching mr Alice, and on the other I see some side eyes at Deo and Plot because of a lower level of activity. It's been a long time since I've played mafia at all so perhaps my reads are a little rusty though.

oh, and I very much doubt that the door locker is also the message sender because.... that doesn't make sense to me. i think that the message sender could probably get around doors by just slipping the note under it? or perhaps it is a targeted action like the silencer. hmm....

T3t brings up a good point though, we do need to actually do things in order to glean information... I think I'm going to take a bath and think about it, then come back and vote in an hour or two.

I don't know why I didn't do this sooner, but I just want to close up one of the few things that came up over the course of the phase as a main discussion point:

nautilus wrote:I strongly encourage players to not look too deeply into rollover for clues on what might be going on; I'm not going to be dropping hints all over the place with respect to roles and such.

So, I think this was addressing comments raised about the flavor of the actual rollover text and not the GOOD MORNING PMs, but I want to check:

Nautilus, in the GOOD MORNING PMs, does the "dazed and confused" statement relate to a role at all, or is it just flavor that you, as the host, elected to sprinkle over the PMs?

am i like invisible idk why people keep saying i'm one of the most inactive when i'm certain i've posted more then at least like four people lol

Luxaria wrote:

nautilus wrote:I strongly encourage players to not look too deeply into rollover for clues on what might be going on; I'm not going to be dropping hints all over the place with respect to roles and such.

So, I think this was addressing comments raised about the flavor of the actual rollover text and not the GOOD MORNING PMs, but I want to check:

Nautilus, in the GOOD MORNING PMs, does the "dazed and confused" statement relate to a role at all, or is it just flavor that you, as the host, elected to sprinkle over the PMs?

Anything that relates to a role power or ability will be made very explicit in the PM.

deo wrote:

Spoiler:

I am also probably going to go to bed in the next hour, so any questions for me will be answered in the morning.

Good night nautilus. I'm pretty sure we should lynch someone today, and maybe we will get lucky and get a mafia.


I'm going to head t bed too. I been having trouble sleeping and someone told me I looked half dead I class.

Alright, since it seems people seem to be winding down and not posting up much more about the lynch.

VOTE: Mr Alice

For the reasons I outlined before. I feel like there's more of a chance of good coming from it than harm and we're not exactly getting any additional information that would sway me to think otherwise.

If this falls apart later, please note that I am not pushing for people to agree to my vote, this is just what I feel is the best course of action with the information that we have.

In addition I sincerely do not feel that people should be lynched due to activity pushing votes when those pushed for activity actually posted up afterwards, unless there's a damn good reason or they just ooze being scummy. Which I don't feel is the case with the other three people currently on the chopping block. Except for dahl, they haven't actually posted to reinforce their position, but they haven't defended themselves either which leads me to believe they may just be inactive.

What I'm saying with that is I don't feel comfortable leaving it up to RNG when we have someone that more than a few people have claimed is suspicious, but have not voted towards. And the other votes are activity pushers. That's just as good as a wild random lynch and I never tend to agree with that if we have any sort of information we can act on.

There's only 4 votes present as of this writing among 18 (!?) people. A No Vote is not a No Lynch. At least make your opinion heard, and if you feel no one should be lynched, Vote No Lynch, or someone is likely to die just because you didn't. That's worse than a random lynching based on the goal of thinning the herd, that is a lynch due to everyone's inaction.

As of right now I feel I'm not alone in saying there's a few people posting up about their fairly strong opinions without actually committing to voting and that makes me pretty suspicious. Why bother posting up your opinion if you will not back it up?

EDIT:

Rasei wrote:Good night nautilus. I'm pretty sure we should lynch someone today, and maybe we will get lucky and get a mafia.


I'm going to head t bed too.

Then VOTE.

Hmm, bah. Bed very soon, and in the morning I'll be trapped in Walmart, with a not very reliable internet connection on my phone. I want to vote a no lynch before bed, then maybe switch it up in the morning (since a lot of discussion tends to happen whenever I'm asleep), but no guarantee I'll be able to, and, if there's one thing I've learned so far, is that late vote changes tend to look bad, so I'm scared to do it for that reason alone.

But I still wanna contribute with a vote. XD

Curse you, 6:00 am CST shift!

IM ON MOBILE WILL BE HOME LATER DONT VOTE PLOT

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