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chinomi
Kotakia
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eleni
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drandahl
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T3tsuya
Rasei
Tiki The Troll
Mr. Alice
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391welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:43 am

high seraph

high seraph

Alright I meant to address this before rollover but I had to run all over the place to have lunch and get ready to go to work and whatever, but I think there was a pretty big difference between voting against Mr Alice (who was not allowed to defend themselves) and voting against drandahl (who had the entire phase to defend themselves but didn't). Lynching someone who is AFK looks pretty bad in general but idk it seemed like a better idea than lynching Mr Alice. Obviously, it wasn't a good idea.

I'm gonna be waiting for Mr. Alice to say something about everything that happened last phase.

392welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:49 am

chinomi

chinomi

I'M GOOD JOB

393welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:51 am

chinomi

chinomi

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394welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:52 am

Kiyoko

Kiyoko
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I don't disagree about the difference between voting for someone who isn't allowed to defend themselves, and someone who's just inactive, but the way people were phrasing their reasons for voting drandahl's inactivity over Blaire (who has posted nothing but comments on breakfast the entire game) just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm not saying that we should have lynched Blaire instead. It's not like either of them were particularly participating.

Edit: For what it's worth, based on voting patterns alone, I don't think Tiki is maf. If drandahl flipped maf then it might have been a panicked attempt to save drandahl by voting deo but regardless of deo's alignment I don't see Tiki voting for him as a maf move.

Link to the 24a Role List

What we know so far:

Room Claims:

Roles that Exist:

D2 Vote Timestamps:

http://kiyokon.tumblr.com

395welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:07 pm

high seraph

high seraph

Ohh okay Kiyo, I kind of felt like you were referring directly to me in your post even though I was making an effort to explain myself? ? lmao sorry

Kiyoko wrote:Edit: Also this is entirely unrelated but Lucas, you have amazing taste in games.

ALSO I FORGOT TO ANSWER TO THIS BUT YEA H HH H H I KNOW OMG

396welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:11 pm

Kiyoko

Kiyoko
Admin

Oh, no, I was speaking in general. I already said that I don't particularly think your vote was a maf move, because if you were maf and you knew drandahl would flip town might as well not draw attention to yourself by changing your vote.

I am possibly also speaking out of guilt because I was the one who dragged drandahl off to a five-hour-long event during a day phase when he had votes on him and he could have been using that time to defend himself or something. (Though I stand by that his participation in that event was way more important than town having a vig sorry it was a really cool event).

http://kiyokon.tumblr.com

397welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:20 pm

Kotakia

Kotakia

god i missed chinomi's reactions

drandahl said they were vigilante-esque so I don't believe they're the role I learned about (the flavor text was about a miner but I don't think that's important) is theirs, plus the flavor about a gun. I don't think they were our watcher/trap disarmer [also there was a little more to that role that I haven't divulged so that if the person is on the block they can claim the last bit to prove themselves].

What timezone is Blaire in?

http://kotakia.tumblr.com

398welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:24 pm

T3tsuya

T3tsuya

Oh boy. Ok. Here's where I sit at all this. It's going to be an interesting phase.

Kiyoko wrote:On drandahl's inactivity
SORRY I ACTUALLY DRAGGED HIM OUT TO PLAY INGRESS WITH ME AND I AM THE ENTIRE REASON HE WAS NOT HERE THIS EVENING

IT'S YOUR FAULT.

Kiyoko wrote:TET LEVEL WALL OF TEXT

I agree with virtually everything you brought up, and not just because a good majority of it was agreeing with me. I can understand wanting to vote for a tie in a situation where we didn't have a solid clue, like I'd mentioned many times before in my posts. We didn't have a lot to go off of. Town made a decision to get the inactive lynched instead of the silenced one. And that's how it ended up. It just also somewhat worked out like I was afraid of.

I don't particularly suspect anyone largely just because they voted for Dahl. I do however find it a little odd that the wagon so quickly shifted onto him when it became apparent he was going to die. We went from 4 votes total with sparse conversation to a crazy amount of bandwagon votes with no real explanation for some of those votes in less than a few hours. That's a little odd and I don't particularly like it.

Especially given that Dahl was confirmed to have not sent in the NK and Mr Alice was not.

Luxaria wrote:LOSING HOPE.
WHAT IS WINE IN FRONT OF ME.
Rollover x 3.

The vote you made is fine and it was for good reasoning. You could have openly stated you were flipping a coin at that point and I wouldn't have thought that was scummy. You backed up what you thought with valid speculation and that's really what I feel separates some of these votes from others in terms of being questionable to me. I'm not sure if I can state that enough.

So on our current Mr Alice situation:

Mr Alice, I think it's obvious you have a lot of defending and explaining to do this phase and sincerely hope you have something solid to back it up. But that being said, like I talked about last night last night, I particularly don't want a situation where we end up killing two towns because Mr Alice has an unsatisfactory explanation. Because, no offense to Alice, I don't think I've exactly seen her explain herself out of less pressing situations before.

If anyone can back up anything Mr Alice says when she makes her case, please do. We need to make our decisions based on at least somewhat solid information. I don't want this to snowball from bad to worse and because of that I'm not particularly set to auto-vote Mr Alice next phase. But she is the top of my list.

Roles that can act tonight to make this situation better for us, please consider your choices and revealed information over the next phase thoroughly.

On scumminess:

Those who voted for a now-confirmed town with no reasoning stated, I don't think it would hurt if you explained it now. Especially those made by people who said that voting on Mr Alice when they couldn't talk is unfair while also voting to hang Dahl for not talking. Not much else to say there.

Tiki having no less than 3 votes last night over the course of 10 minutes whether they were real or not, yeah.. I don't think I have to say much to that. But at the same time, I'm not sure what to think. Tiki has done stuff like that before as town. I don't think I've actually played a game with him where he was mafia, so I'm not sure if he acts differently depending on what alignment. Maybe someone who has can weigh in on that particular situation.

I actually am not as suspicious of Tiki's scumminess as I am Rasei, who last night said that she wanted a lynch for sure, but didn't vote. Even when I prompted her to specifically because that was during my post about nobody voting.

Then she waltzed in today before rollover specifically No Voting saying this.

Rasei wrote:I'm going to vote: No vote:. I don't feel comfortable on voting on Mr.Alice why he cannot talk, Dran was apparently out last night. I heading to work and will not be able to vote closerto rollover

Which is a completely contrary statement to what she said last night. With no activity in between, with the usually suspicious (to me) specific statement of "I'm going to bed." "I'm going to work" "I'm going X".

Rasei, if you don't mind, why did you voice your opinion one way and not back it up, and then completely shift it? Because this looks ridiculously suspicious to my eyes.



I'm not particularly sure what else I can say that hasn't already been said by Kiyo or somebody else a little earlier. I am pretty ok with waiting this phase out and having people discuss the points brought up against them or other people that they have something to say about. More discussion is grossly needed and I hope people are willing to step up to that particular plate to back up their actions.

399welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:02 pm

eleni

eleni

ok welp that was not the rollover i was hoping for

umm this prob sounds hypocritical lol since i was the first to vote him, but the subsequent votes on drandahl are kind of ??? to me. deo i'm more neutral on, but the four votes after that came in really quickly so that was kind of weird imo... looking at chinomi and plot specifically, but like a few others said, so many people didn't vote last phase that it's entirely possible maf wasn't on the drandahl bandwagon at all. either way, i'll reserve judgement since i want to hear from Mr. Alice like everyone else

on Tiki and Rasei- i'm more suspicious of Rasei than Tiki at this point since he gave an explanation at least, but i'm also having a horrible flashback to the last game where i gave alca a gun, who shot Rasei and of course flipped town. SO YEAH i really don't know, both Tiki and Rasei are like dracoon 2.0 to me

anyhow, this post is short because i'm heading off to a doctor's appointment in a few, but just wanted to pop in before i left o/

400welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:20 pm

Mr. Alice

Mr. Alice

aight aight, i'm up, yall

well ok first things first--I'M REALLY SORRY YOU DIED, DRANDAHL

the way i was seeing it at the moment, it was pretty much either you or me, and since i definitely knew i was town (albeit a pretty weak and useless one rn), there was no reason not to vote you, you know?

(but also i really didn't want to die when my last breakfast was some fuckin citrus shit like that, like orange crepes?? really??!? the chocolate and marshmallow filling almost made up for it. almost. don't get me wrong, it was tasty, and no offense to you orange lovers, i'm just picky about my citrus flavorings and god, certainly not as my last meal, so mafia, if you down me tonight, i will not be happy)

so on the subject of defending myself...i honestly actually don't have much to defend myself with this time around. i'm not a power role, nor do i have any role-related abilities that got me any info, or could even potentially get me any info on the last phase(s), so as to why i was silenced, i could only think of like:

1. random person/room
2. i'm weaksauce at defending myself (which is actually not a bad tactic for the mafia i'll admit) so getting some suspicion on me would eventually get me lynched (which seems to be working pretty darn well, and i'm not even mad)
3. some grudge thing going on, but i don't think those are supposed to be a thing here, so that's really not even a reason i should be listing, but a list should have at least 3 things ok, like having just 2 is embarassing

uhhh if anyone has specific questions for me, shoot, and i'll try to answer it best i can, but i am also supposed to be on vacation here so like, sorry in advance?

401welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:26 pm

Kiyoko

Kiyoko
Admin

Blaire, what is your full role, because I am actually committed to voting you tomorrow unless detective up and says, "Hold on guys"

http://kiyokon.tumblr.com

402welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:50 pm

Mr. Alice

Mr. Alice

nnnnn i would actually love for any town detective to investigate me and say hold on guys because i'm like...always really hesitant to give out my full role

like i know i'm probs in a bad position with town rn, but i also don't want to be in a position where all my shit's revealed to maf, and they think killing me might worth it (again, i'm a real easy kill anyway so)? but i think by replying to you and just saying all that, i've probably already condemned myself to some sort of death already

basically i'm not sure the benefits outweigh the risk at the moment (even if it's just from my personal opinion) if i answer you completely, you get me?

oh, but i will say that my role, nor it's abilities, were on that first roles list you provided! (wow i hope that doesn't bite me in the butt)

/quietly squeezes some chocolate and marshmallow filling out of a crepe and eat it, yeah i saved one, so what, there were take out containers there what did you expect me to do???

Edit: is it ok for you to be asking me that? e - e



Last edited by Mr. Alice on Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:57 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : forgot to suspect individuals of mafia oops i'm real bad at this game)

403welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:59 pm

alcasync

alcasync

Mr. Alice wrote:i definitely knew i was town (albeit a pretty weak and useless one rn)

So are you powerful enough for mafia to use up a targeted vigilante shot on you (if they have one), or are you weak and useless? Which is it?

Because if I were mafia and I had a targeted kill, there are plenty of other players I would prioritize killing over Blaire.

Also! We have no guarantee that there's even an investigative role who can target players instead of rooms.

404welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:00 pm

T3tsuya

T3tsuya

Mr. Alice wrote:nnnnn i would actually love for any town detective to investigate me and say hold on guys because i'm like...always really hesitant to give out my full role

like i know i'm probs in a bad position with town rn, but i also don't want to be in a position where all my shit's revealed to maf, and they think killing me might worth it (again, i'm a real easy kill anyway so)? but i think by replying to you and just saying all that, i've probably already condemned myself to some sort of death already

basically i'm not sure the benefits outweigh the risk at the moment (even if it's just from my personal opinion) if i answer you completely, you get me?

oh, but i will say that my role, nor it's abilities, were on that first roles list you provided! (wow i hope that doesn't bite me in the butt)

/quietly squeezes some chocolate and marshmallow filling out of a crepe and eat it, yeah i saved one, so what, there were take out containers there what did you expect me to do???

I'm gonna be straight with you, if you don't give everybody something to go off of (Like Kiyo suggested, maybe your role) it's not a matter of if Maf kills you, you're pretty high up on the list of smart lynches right now.

The benefits outweigh the risks in terms of giving us anything to go off because right now all we have is essentially "I'm not Maf guys I promise.".

If you're town, you probably aren't going to get killed by mafia due to the fact that the mafia both can't target specific people with their night kill, only rooms, and you're in a bad position anyway with us.

If you're maf, you should probably at least attempt to do something to clear yourself because if you don't, the chances of you being lynched skyrocket.

Any information you can give will help. Because as of right now there is no sense in withholding information no matter what your alignment is.



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405welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] - Page 27 Empty Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:01 pm

Kiyoko

Kiyoko
Admin

Mr. Alice wrote:Edit: is it ok for you to be asking me that? e - e

Rules post on first page wrote:Closed roles. Players may claim whatever they want as long as they don't post their role PMs verbatim and do text analysis on them.

http://kiyokon.tumblr.com

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