welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4]

Umm this is a combination of things we know in thread, and my own role information.

Possibly cleared town by Kiyoko
☛ Ardonye

Hinted a or claimed role that seems town-sided
☛ high seraph
☛ Ninfia
☛ Kotakia
☛ plotstickers
☛ Mr. Alice *

* I know that people don't necessarily think Mr. Alice is town, but I think her role claim is real and that is her actual role, and it's a role that you wouldn't give to mafia because that would allow mafia to select from essentially any role ability in the game, which is incredibly over-powered.

Not inclined to vote for this phase for role-related reasons
☛ Rasei

Players involved in the drandahl lynch (who aren't on the above lists)
☛ Luxaria
☛ eleni
☛ chinomi
☛ deo

Remainder
☛ Sammiya
☛ AliceofOz
☛ T3tsuya
☛ Tiki the Troll

So I wanted to vote off this list:
☛ Luxaria
☛ eleni
☛ chinomi
☛ deo

I feel like deo voted to save himself, eleni was first vote and not really part of the bandwagon, the timing of Luxaria's vote doesn't strike me as particularly maf, and so that makes chinomi the best candidate.

stoat alley.

chinomi: I

high seraph vs.
Luxaria vs.
Sammiya vs.
AliceofOz vs.
alcasync vs. chinomi
Mr. Alice vs.
T3tsuya vs.
Tiki the Troll vs.
Rasei vs.
drandahl vs.
plotstickers vs.
eleni vs.
deo vs.
chinomi vs.
Ardonye vs.
Ninfia vs.
Kotakia vs.

Goddamnit why did I sign up for this.

Link to the 24a Role List

What we know so far:

Room Claims:

Roles that Exist:

D3 Vote Timestamps:

D2 Vote Timestamps:

I think this is accurate? I tried to keep Kiyoko's formatting. I'd like to point out that very deliberately in the list she mentioned "Kiyoko believes Ardonye is town", but mentioned no other speculations/reads from other players. This adds to Alcasync's theory. Also, I have information I'll include in the next post.

Okay, so since people have been claiming their rooms for the previous night and Nautilus has yet to strike them down with the hammer of the titans, I'll assume it's okay to say...

Kotakia wrote:FIRST OF ALL 19 was my room and either 18 or 20 (or both) was empty.

I was in room 18 last night. I also was not alone. I will let this individual come forward on their own.

I'm also a bit tripped up on the terminology. Alcasync, what do you mean by the "bomber"? Because my understanding is a bomb triggers when someone is killed and does a revenge sort of thing. But I believe you mean bomber as in " just bombed this room to the ground"?

@ Kotakia.

This role sounds really weird and oddly specific. So you're proposing someone (presumably mafia or neutral) fired off a one-shot vigilante kill, it got blocked (meaning it obeys the NK's rules of requiring a room to only have one occupant), the NK created a trap (which expired as of last night?), and the room that got destroyed last night was due to this role.

It's also a random room destruction? I mean I understand RNG is RNG, but damned if this isn't very coincidental that Kiyoko, a high-power town player and purportedly an investigative role, got taken out. This is either really terrible RNG for town or there's something else.

You can guarantee these statements are accurate?

Oh, wait, you made an addendum. So last night was the one-shot kill, which makes sense since there was also a failed NK, presumably, on a room with two occupants.

Edit: New post. Now I'm more confused. Posting this up for now while I try to get a handle on this.

I'm using "bomber" as different from "bomb" here. A bomb would be a role that explodes when they are targeted. I'm referring to a role that explodes a room.

Umm but if I'm understanding Kotakia's post correctly, there's a one shot vigilante role who can target a player, and when their kill is successful, the room is destroyed along with the player inside?

If so that means Kiyoko was almost certainly a targeted mafia kill.

Bounce back or got locked in. Does the person in the room the night before the room gets lock has to stay in the room?

->Went to room 26 on N1.
->Tried to move to room 23, but room 26 gets locked, therefor stayed in room 26 on N2.

Kotakia wrote:One-shot "choose the player, not the room" vigilante role.
Once used, every 2 nights without a kill a room will be destroyed.
If the vigilante kill is successful, the room is destroyed.
"Destruction must go on" if there are no kills every 2 nights, believe summoning was the random explosion every 2 nights.

So which is it? There's only two options, else the role abilities/description contradicts.

A)
N0: Kill attempt failed. Kill attempt was actually vigilante role. Mafia NK set a trap (expired N2).
N1: No kill message. Mafia NK set a trap (expires N3).
N2: Kill attempt failed. Kiyoko was killed & R4 destroyed by RNG room destruction, which summons a thing. Mafia NK was on a room with 2 people in it (or other protection).

B)
N0: Kill attempt failed. Mafia NK was on a room with 2 people in it (or other protection).
N1: No kill message. Mafia NK set a trap (expires N3).
N2: Kill attempt failed. Kiyoko was killed & R4 destroyed by vigilante kill. A thing was summoned. MAfia NK was on a room with 2 people in it (or other protection).

Which of these scenarios are you suggesting? Because it can't be the RNG room explosion causing the summon unless the vigilante kill went off N0, but you also say the vigilante kill going off last night might've destroyed the room. And if it wasn't option B, then that means the RNG happened to get Kiyoko, power town + detective, which seems like either really shoddy RNG, or it was a deliberate kill.

Also, thinking on it more, are you sure the summon is actually related to the room destruction role? What if there's a role that just summons a thing the second someone dies? I feel like having the summon in addition to the vigilante kill and room destruction is a bit much. Then again, I don't know what other people have. Alternatively, this might be a neutral role? It feels more mafia though?

Edit: OH I think I misread. I mistook it as being, "If this fails, a random room will be destroyed every two nights without a kill." Since I felt like that made a lot of sense. Okay, I think the wandering demon thing makes more sense if the destruction must go on.

So that means:

Choose player vigilante kill.
Destroys room if successful.
Once used, regardless of success, a random room is destroyed every two nights without a kill.

This is the role description?

I made an edit, check it:

Edit: OH I think I misread. I mistook it as being, "If this fails, a random room will be destroyed every two nights without a kill." Since I felt like that made a lot of sense. Okay, I think the wandering demon thing makes more sense if the destruction must go on.

So that means:

Choose player vigilante kill.
Destroys room if successful.
Once used, regardless of success, a random room is destroyed every two nights without a kill.

This is the role description?

Is that right?

Rasei wrote:Bounce back or got locked in. Does the person in the room the night before the room gets lock has to stay in the room?

->Went to room 26 on N1.
->Tried to move to room 23, but room 26 gets locked, therefor stayed in room 26 on N2.

From what Alcasync said previously, getting locked in has priority over movement. So the lock would go off before you would try to move to room 23.

I made edits to the list.

Also, I realize now that Alcasync's statement of Rasei being unable to do the action might have had nothing to do with night/role information and... was just a realization that Rasei was locked in.

oof. orz.

Re: This weird vigilante role. So we're positive it's mafia? If it's not mafia, it's scum-leaning neutral (because they deliberately went for a detective-sounding active pro-town). Inclined to believe it's mafia, though. As Alcasync stated, that means we in theory know two mafia roles. On that note: There was no silence last night. Must be every other phase?

I wonder if the demon thing would go away if we lynch or kill the player that summoned it.

Re: Mr. Alice and her role. Hm. I wish she could answer if she would've been able to use it last night. The Hunter role doesn't sound like it'd have anything to do with summoning a weird demon thing, since I doubt a town (Drandahl) would have a vigilante with that flavor and possibly severe downside. The ability sounds mafia-leaning, which means Mr. Alice... probably didn't get it from Drandahl?

Then again, we don't know if Mr. Alice was lying about her role. I feel like she was being genuine. I also think if she were mafia she might've gotten away with just copying vigilante without telling us what she could do and then used it in secret. After all, if she already had a role not on the previous list, and this is closed role, then her mafia team could've invented anything if they were cautious--though, that anything might've been the copy role.

@ Kotakia: When you found out this information, did it say the role name or anything to that effect? Also, is your role scouting related to however you get room information?

If Blaire is town and telling the truth about her role... it's kind of disappointing that we didn't wait a phase so that she could copy the detective.