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Also on phone at work: Kotakia, I haven't backread deeply enough to know if you need to establish a full and binding relationship with someone in order to investigate.
In case you don't have to, I'm 100% okay with being investigated as well.
I'm not explaining why I don't want a full relationship at this time.
Again, will backread in more detail tonight after work.
EDIT: Pagetop prince, so I'm pulling in an important suggestion in case folks miss it:
Kiyoko wrote:Guys we should all make genderbent avatars in the 70 mins before rollover.
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Oh God, so many pages, I wish i could easily go through and find quotes n' things (or at least quickly...also wising I ad more time after work to get something like this together). But anyway, uh, just in case I get taken out...well, here goes:
There is a voice nearby, heard by all the students gathered nearby. There is something familiar about it, but none can quite pinpoint what it is.
"Look at you all, worried about what is to come. But fear you should not! For there is one now come to set ablaze the fire of truth, and spare you all the indignities of further falling over yourselves. Who is this dashing undoubtedly handsome champion, you may be asking? Why, it is none other than...
"El Zorro to your rescuing!" A brightly dressed figure enters the room, holding a rose that he gives to Rasei. Most recognize the clothing and props he is wearing as property of the dormant drama program.
"O, ho, ho! And how lucky it is being for you all he arrived, is it not? For it has come to El Zorro's attention that a devilishly attractive peer of yours is under quite a bit of well-intentioned, if ill advised suspicion. But El Zorro has taken te time to be studying the facts of the predicament you all are facing, so do not be afraid! Just, if you will be so kind, listen to El Zorro's words."
He extends a hand to Mr. Alice. "You! Wit the púrpura hair (the best color of hair, is it not?), care to dance with El Zorro while he is divulging his thoughts?" Regardless of the answer, he started dancing a tango (with or without Mr. Alice), and talking.
"First, there is something that is striking El Zorro as interesting. Near the end of the day, when unfortunate Nautilus was struck down with a detention slip, both of las hermanas, Rasei and Sammiya, changed their vote to no vote at roughly the same time, did they not? It seems like quite a coincidence, especially given their sisterly communication, and how it seems that is not the only time they wished to not vote on who to send to the closest thing this school has to Purgatory. And with the whisperings about of two players in this dangerous game not taking a side, El Zorro cannot help but suspect they ave a minor alliance of their own, one based on a neutral stance. This is only helped by the lovely Rasei's information she is dumping on us, er, El Zorro means, on you all, which could theoretically help both sides of this conflict, could it not?
"Thus, El Zorro's first conclusion is that neither of las hermanas should have any actions taken against them, as harming either benefits no one, if they truly are our neutral party."
El Zorro stopped dancing and, with a flourish, adjusted his tie. "Next, there is the matter of this officer in Sylvia -- or, perhaps El Zorro should be addressing her as Kotakia now? Well, El Zorro knows a thing or two about being an officer, especially one who is...misled. But now dear Eleni has come across information showing Kotakia is being fully within her senses.
"El Zorro is willing to accept this.
"What strikes El Zorro as odd, however...is what as happened this night. For Kotakia has looked into our Alice's eyes to determine where she stands. A good and fair idea, given the suspicion raised against her! Now, discussion had seemed to imply that the dashing Tiki should also be investigated as such. But this, Kotakia did not do. She investigated Sr. Alice. On the surface, fair, as Sr. Alice had come under fire. But now, more suspicion was placed on this Tiki, was there not? So why not investigate him first? How curious this is being..."
With a flourish El Zorro produced another rose from his jacket. "Now, why choose to investigate Sr. Alice, clearing him first? Clearing him from a potential executioner in the night, and taking an opportunity from Tiki to get his perfectly good name cleared? After all, we all know Kotakia has been investigating since the start, sharing results, dropping hints...but how long has she been investigating on the side of our heroes?"
He threw the rose to Rasei. "It is well and truly believed that Kotakia's role in all this had been discovered. The question is...when was she found out? After all, this classroom was dizzy wit speculation over why the villains had chosen to so early bring one into their fold. Now, if they had been lucky and found this investigator of alignments on the first night, would that not be a powerful ally to have, one who had already showed her abilities to Cure of the heroes?"
With a flourish he points at Kotakia. "This is the reasoning El Zorro is suspecting Kotakia, and all after Cure she as investigated and 'cleared.' And then having Nautilus as the lone attacker, not sending in a falsified detention slip themselves, to make it appear as though she is among the villains, attacking the investigator on alignments...one who could withsatnd such an attack, and who would be far less likely in needing the ability with this 'vigilante' gone.
"Then to not investigate Tiki guapo. Why, it would be a same should she look into his alignment, say something false, then have it revealed it was all a lie, would it not? Or perhaps to just give a lame, if true result, that he is among the heroes, leaving him or Alice as having a false alignment show up. That would not drive these heroes to attack him wit such motivation.
"Then there is the always villainous Tetsuya. Using his powers to try and put Tiki at risk of a detention. Then suggesting they 'test' Tiki's claim, which could easily result in the loss of two heroes at once, which would put these villains within reach of victory. And he was the very first, after the conversion of a hero to a villain, to be investigated."
El Zorro gave a non-committal shrug. "A mad, complicated plan? Perhaps. But any madder than what has already been theorized here? El Zorro thinks not!"
Edit: *Deep breath* That took almost a half our to write. Really wish I had gotten this out sooner...and hope I didn't forget anything.
Last edited by Tiki The Troll on Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:58 pm; edited 1 time in total
Posting this now in case I die tonight, though I do think it's more likely I'll be stunned so maf can set me up for lynch candidacy and waste another day phase.
I'm reviving nautilus tonight. I have broken up with all my partners at this point in time so if anything happens to me it's not as a result of a relationship ability (unless it's something that triggers upon break up).
Info dump on basically everything that's happened to me this game:
Spoiler:
I have four role abilities: - I can choose one person to investigate at night and I will find out who they're dating (flavour text: "gossip") - Alternatively, I can guess a couple and break them up (flavour text: "loves scandals", tbh I would never use this because I can't see a scenario in which it would be pro-town) - I have x2 revives that can be used simultaneously to the above two skills (flavour text: "skipping detention") - My relationship role is cheater, I can be in a relationship with two people at a time (flavour text: also "loves scandals")
During n0 I state that I believe this game is going to be wild - because I have FOUR ABILITIES and on top of that I thought double revive was pretty strong? So I was wondering what kind of roles other people got. On d1 I state that I believe that maf have multiple kills and/or a dayvig - this was actually because I thought it'd balance out the revives, but I waited until d1 to say this because I wanted people to believe I found this out due to my night action and not due to the nature of my role power.
n0 activity - I used my investigate on Cure on n0, which is why I'm sure she was not in a relationship - I was confessed to by chinomi, which I accepted because SHE'S MY DEAR SENPAI - I confessed to plotstickers, again because SENPAI PLS NOTICE ME - So there's no particular meaning behind the choice in relationships
(note on plotstickers) - During n1 (iirc) plot says that she's hooked up with deo. At this point, I'm thinking that she has a copy role via relationship and had duplicated my powers, which is why I ask her if she knows what my main role power is during d2 - this is something I'd normally leave for PMs but I thought was fairly important because if I'm right it'd mean there'd be four?? revives in the game?? - TBH I did get stressed about this LIKE THIS GAME HAS JUST BEEN STRESSFUL FOR ME... I couldn't hint too hard about it - the presence of multiple revives in the game is sensitive information, but what if plot was maf and now knew my ability, but if she was maf and knew my ability I should've gotten NK'd n1 shouldn't I, etc. etc. etc. life is suffering. - She clarifies that she doesn't know my role so I'm inclined to believe she's not the copier -> so she's another cheater/harem role? I ended up deciding to wait until I got more information from her via note, and I note her with my confusion but it's a few phases later and she still hasn't clarified so gomen I'm gonna out this information aka I CANT BELIEVE YOURE CHEATING ON ME PLOT MY LOVE FOR U WAS SWEET AND PURE - I'd like to point out that this means three confirmed cheater/harem roles: me, plotstickers, and T3tsuya - I'm inclined to think mafia has at least one cheater? This doesn't necessarily mean one person out of this list, there may be other cheaters in the game, but yeah I'd like to hear from both of them.
d1 activity I'm pretty ok with acting aggressively this game. I felt quite comfortable with my Kiyoko vote because 1. A self-NK would be what I would do as maf, 2. if we mislynch and she flips town I can revive her anyway and we'd have vote tally information to work with for the d2 lynch (obviously this is non-ideal but lol), 3. I'm ok with taking some flack for it because being scrutinised by the thread makes it less likely I'll get NKd during the night phases.
Day actions: - I send a note to chinomi and plotstickers explaining that I am currently dating two people and I will not disclose either of their identities - my plan was to share information on my activities with them every night which they could them cross-reference in thread if I ever died. This can be confirmed by both chinomi and plot, I have been open about my night actions. - If you'd like verification about this, chi & plot should both corroborate, I explained my thought process in my notes and also mentioned that my ability involves investigative/disruptive/protective powers but was not specific about what they were. - Chinomi outs our relationship in thread before she can receive the message, which I wasn't really fussed by. TBH I was more interested that plot didn't say anything about it but it didn't really matter to me either way.
Regarding the recruitment at the end of phase: - I found this unbelievable and responded with surprise because I couldn't understand how a recruitment role would work in conjunction with my abilities. - Take this scenario: If mafia had recruited me, they would have literally gained six phases on town in a single phase, balance wise? +1 maf, -1 town for ratio, +2 maf revives, -2 town revives. I just thought it would make the game ridiculously swingy depending on who maf chooses to revive. - Of course I couldn't SAY this so I got kinda stressed out because I wanted to ask for advice but couldn't without outing my role TBH it feels carthartic being able to type this out. - In any case my conclusion from this is wow we must have some really crazy roles in the game. I'm not inclined to disbelieve the recruitment role, primarily because I'm having trouble understanding what the mechanics behind a ratio tampering role would be? Would the ratio just get modified and then continue going that way for the rest of the game or what?
n1 - I used my investigate on Kotakia on n1: -> My thought process behind this is that 1. she was hinting alignment checker and 2. I wanted to investigate people who claimed relationships in thread so I could out any liars, and she'd mentioned she was going to hook up with... I think it was T3t at the time idk I got kinda confused with the instant confessions & break ups? -> Anyway, I didn't get any results - like, nothing, no failure message, it's like I didn't act at all but I definitely got a confirmation mail for my action -> I assume that she was protected or has a passive protect of some sort, an investigations-immune investigator didn't sound too farfetched to me. Because I didn't have a reason to assume she was maf at the time I didn't bring it up - in the best case scenario she's an evasive cop and can waste maf actions which are directed onto her, and in the worst case scenario if I pressure her in thread it might out a strong investigative role to maf. (-> This ofc later gets disproved, which I cover later, I'm just listing my chronological reactions)
n2 - I only had time to send a break up message to chinomi. I mainly did this because her posts didn't scream town to me (I'd like to hear more spec from her but she's also on meds so GET BETTER SOON CHI) and I wanted to hook up with either Rodea or kiku who I was fairly sure were town and are also both friends like chi (I ended up confessing to Rodea because kiku was already with t3t, Rodea accepted my confession on d3). - I was considering breaking up with plot but at this stage I still wanted to figure out what her role power was so I left it. - I had sent the break up / confession messages but I missed my actions pm for the night which really frustrated me but tbh I should've probably had my actions prepared beforehand. I was still deciding at the time who I wanted to investigate (it would've probably been one of plot or T3tsuya) and whether a revive on adawg would be a good idea and ended up missing the early phase end, it was just poor preparation on my part.
d3 - When Kotakia claimed one-shot bulletproof alignment cop claim, this was my first thought: -> It is way too overpowered to have an instant alignment inspection in the same game as double revive. Assuming that I'm not dead at any time Kotakia claims, even if she did die, I would be able to revive her and give town two free alignment investigations before mafia can respond on the next night phase. This in addition to her bulletproof would make her an alignment cop with four lives, every-phase instant investigations, whose actions cannot be interrupted, and will (almost) guarantee a mafia death in the event of an attempted kill. -> Wow, if Kotakia's telling the truth, maf must have a multishot dayvig to prevent this from happening, right?? - This is why I posted in a panic asking her to investigate ASAP. - It's also why I was really ??? about her role, especially when a dayvig didn't pop up? I'm thinking rn it's possible that Jaiser was the dayvig and got removed from the game but maybe I'm being overly paranoid.
- Anyway around now Ninfia claims being able to act on Kotakia on n1 (outside of a passive eavesdrop ability, but if it was passive I doubt she would have been so confident that Kotakia had received the results specifically) - Also I realised I do not show up in Rasei's n1 list, which is why I mention her list was "bothering me" - So it's confirmed my ability must have gotten tampered with on n1? My original thought was that it was due to a relationship role because it didn't show up in rollover and I thought I'd bring this up the next day phase, because by then we'd have alignment results on both Alice and Tiki. (Basically, bringing it up at that time would've just distracted from the lynch and scattered votes. This is something I state explicitly - that Rasei's list is bugging me and I'd like to speak about it once Tiki vs Alice is resolved.)
- And then ezreal vs nautilus election day. - And now I'm hardclaiming, so yeah. - Anyway a final note: the post that nautilus makes regarding her action going missing on n2 made me realise that it's likely this is an actual targeted stunning rolepower that does not show up in rollover and is not... actually a relationship role....? Which is something to keep in mind if actions go missing in the future. I'd normally be inclined to say this is definitely a maf role because why would you act on me and naut as opposed to one of the people up for lynch but um... On n1 I acknowledge I was a decent town target by virtue of my d1 vote on Kiyoko, and judging by the last day phase I guess it's possible people find naut suspicious?
n3 - I have broken up with Rodea and plotstickers because I want to avoid any interruptions that might happen as a result of relationship powers - I used my revive on nautilus because... I like her spec and I think it's valuable to have her around as a clear town? Even if she's outed I feel like maf's going to have fun trying to suppress an outed alignment cop, townvig and revive role at the same time as rooting out town protects and stunjails, plus Rasei being what seems to be an a passive watcher and whatever other investigative roles we have (i think an eavesdropper? and there must be a role cop around somewhere too), like... lol.........?
The tl;dr: 1. I'm revive x2. I'm also a cheater and minor investigative role / breaker upper 2. I believe there exists a role in the game that silently stuns and does not appear in rollover, which was used on me on n1 and on nautilus on n2. Instead of just blocking the action, this role seems to remove the action completely: Nautilus's vigshot disappeared and she did not lose her charge, and my investigate failed but I did not show up on Rasei's n1 action list. 3. Plot and T3t are also cheater/harem roles, I'd like to hear from them because I believe mafia would have at least one cheater.
TBH I'm kind of relieved I can post this finally, GOD I have been stewing in it the entire game I am really bad at figuring out what information's safe or dangerous to disclose in thread and it makes me really nervous basically all the time.
Next, my reads:
Maf leaning - Luxaria I'm uncertain but I'm willing to vote for her - even putting her behaviour aside just looking at her role power I think interfering with a lynch is more of a maf or neutral power (correct me if I'm wrong). Neutral with a win condition contingent on AliceofOz living would be a natural conclusion. It's convenient that she's unable to be investigated but can still get into a relationship with Alice.
Sorry, TBH I haven't had time to backread your post history yet which is why I'm only talking about your actions and not your behaviour/reads. I think that you took a lot from my posts that I didn't feel matched up with what I said or intended, but I'm having trouble telling if it's scummy on your part or if I just didn't express myself properly - I want to take the time to reread both of our post histories but I actually physically don't feel up to backreading & dissecting heavy spec posts rn.
- Alice: Still hasn't answered me regarding thoughts on Tiki? If Luxaria is maf, I'm willing to believe Alice is miller. TBH even if Lux is neutral or town I'm willing to believe Alice is miller but for now I'm not inclined to vote for her until we see Lux's flip or Kotakia's claim is called into question.
- Tiki: Unsure if maf or just scummy town, but also willing to vote for. Alignment check on him would be nice primarily because he's the one whose behaviour I find most difficult to understand.
Town leaning - My strongest town read's on Rodea, just because I know him and he's been so quiet I have legitimate trouble imagining a scenario in which he has a maf team - I also think kiku doesn't look like she's being instructed by a team - ..... Yeah that's it I'm sorry I don't trust anyone I'll literally vote for anyone if given reason to rn
I'd like to hear from: - Luxaria, Alice, Tiki - plotstickers, to a lesser extent deo (due to being related to plot), T3t (for also being a cheater role and also pls step on me) - I do want to hear from chinomi but I also know she's sick and on meds rn so um... Whenever you feel up to it.... Pats u on the back... - also apparently eleni's been suspicious but tbh the only stuff I can remember reading from her is from other peoples' spec posts calling her out, like I haven't actually touched her post history im sorry senpai your avatar's really hot thoguh - I did say I think Rodea & kiku are town but I also dislike the idea of letting inactives fly under the radar so um, mostly for Rodea: could you could share your thoughts on the game? \o/ - IM JUST GONNA GO AHEaD AND SAY PLS SPEC POST EVERYONE GIVE ME SPEC POSTS
Disclaimer: I have really poor chronological ordering of memories so I may have messed up phase numbers or which actions go into which phases, pls don't take it as indication of me being maf or something I just have a really bad sequential recall, everything clumps together into a blob for me.
ok that's it that's all i have left to contribute if i die tonight i die having disclosed every piece of info i have and i really hope none of this is town-detrimental
i'm heading to work now, whether i'm around for rollover depends on how busy it is but i will definitely be on in the next few hours
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"All these people conveniently unable to form relationships with Kotakia. Hmm." I may be seeing someone. And if I am, I don't have to tell you who I am dating. That's personal information, important to a high school boy.
For the well-being of myself and my (current or future) dokidoki, I'm not going to tend towards loose lips. Because if one of us ever gets detention and the other doesn't, I just don't know what I would do with myself. This is as important as role-reveal to me.
Note: Snaked by alca's post about speculation. I hope this isn't breaking that constraint (in which case I'll delete and repost later).
PS: Good god tiki, the commitment to your aesthetic...
Tiki it was a beautiful thing to come back from the test break to see (also holy shit it's all like high school math w/ probabilities and i'm like I DON'T REMEMBER ANY OF THIS GIVE ME THE DUNCE CAP)
also not spec but statement. i didn't investigate tiki because i feel like you are just that outlier that... doesn't matter much to investigate rn you have been seen as scummy by some for awhile and it's just like... i'd rather out strong mafia players or confirm good town players. also sammiya and rasei are not both neutral.
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