Vampires win! COTN

1. Vampires now know for sure who the werewolf is. Werewolf is aware they were targeted, but do not know who vampires are unless they target a vampire, according to the response to Kiyoko's question? Surprisingly this means that the werewolf, should their kill be redirected, is one of the few ways that someone can determine vampireness of a person, outside of:
   
   
   
   1. Squatter squats on a vampire's home and sees them leave
      
   2. Monster hunter
      
   
   
   Completely disregard this if the werewolf's redirected kill happens all the time and not just when targeting vampires.
   
   
2. I agree with the general sentiment in-thread that us humans should leave the werewolf alone, since for the most part the werewolf and the humans have the same general win condition (eliminate vampires) and given the werewolf's current predicament I don't think they'll go SOLO WOLF just yet. Werewolf is also our only (though now severely hampered) vigilante kill in the night phase, and it does us no favors for werewolf to be lynched.
   
   While the werewolf is inherently-anti vampire, I believe that the mafia will probably leave the werewolf alive for a few phases, because werewolf is forced to kill and their kills have the ability now to deflect away from vampires automatically (aka the redirect away from vampire thing), making them basically the vampire's """vigilante""" with a random target during full moons, since vampires can't act on full moons.
   
   The silver lining of this werewolf scenario is that none of the human power roles got enthralled, which is pretty good since a vampire mayor or monster hunter would be pretty bad.
   
   
3. @Cthulu: I have a question; probably silly ones but I just want to ensure clarification:
   - Despite being enthralled, can the werewolf convert humans into other unenthralled werewolves during full moons via their redirected kills, or is a redirected kill a guaranteed OHKO?
   - Is there any way, outside of the cold grip of death, that a werewolf can be unenthralled?
   
   
4. Votes: I'm going to hold off on voting right now, though I'm watching all of you. Also I notice you, kouhai!
   

Kiyoko wrote:@Kotakia, Are you perhaps suggesting that it's in town's favor to eliminate wolfy? Because if so, I disagree. Even if wolfy can't hit a mafpire, wolfy is still an investivig (with casualties). Since mafpires have no way of killing wolfy between a full moon night and the next day phase, maf has no way to stop wolfy from going, "Hi I targeted X but Y died, so X is a vampire." Additionally, wolfy will probably be going after people that will give us the most information if they die regardless of how they flip, because wolfy wants to scumhunt too. So I see wolfy's full moon kills as nothing but beneficial, although slightly less beneficial than they could have been had wolfy not been enthralled.

Cthuluhoop wrote:Night kills on vampires will always be redirected but, the vote change is role specific so that if the lord dies, the werewolf's vote will belong solely to the werewolf.

• I agree that werewolf shouldn't claim at the moment for risk of revealing their identity and eschewing their win, but I also don't think we should antagonize werewolf because werewolf can help us and I doubt they're going to immediately antagonize the town. I like the portmanteau investivig. I'm going to use that. Investigativig?
  
• With respect to high seraph, I can see that he panicked quite a bit to what was a random vote; however, given his pleading posts near the end of TV Tropes mafia I'm willing to ascribe this to just his playstyle. Certainly doesn't warrant a vote of any kind at the moment, though maybe a small look out of the corner of my eye.
  

• I also wondered if we could somehow structure our votes to prevent vampire interference, but I guess that's not exactly practical given the nature of mafia as a game.

  
  Hypothetically we can, if we ensure that there's a two-vote difference between players up for lynch (since the lord can push werewolf's vote onto another play, a two-vote difference means that the lord can only reduce it to a one-vote difference). However, the existence of the mayor (whose vote will always count double unless they're voted on (?), and I'm going to assume these are invisible double-votes, Cthulu) and the fact that we're going to inevitably get split votes (especially with so few people in this game) makes this a bad strategy.
  
• Going to go with the flow and vote: no lynch, because no one has died yet and it's basically the same as the start, +roles having acted, and there's nothing really to go on at the moment except for "where wolf? why wolf?" thing we're doing in-thread. Plus I think everyone's going out for parties or is ill (get well soon, Sammiya!) so I don't think there's any point to trying to discuss a lynch now.