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welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4]
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chinomi
Kotakia
deo
eleni
plotstickers
drandahl
Cthulhuhoop
T3tsuya
Rasei
Tiki The Troll
Mr. Alice
alcasync
AliceofOz
Sammiya
Kiyoko
nautilus
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557 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:42 pm
Ninfia
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My phone says that video is invaluable ;0; also while I'm here wasti g my battery is like to say that I 100% do not think g that the room destroying thing is neutral or town. That is defs a maf ability imo.
Also if I'm counting right, it seems like 12 rooms were occupied last night but idk where people were or what have you.
Of note: I tried to move to room 26 but it was locked. Meaning that I was in room 3 last night but I actually have no idea if I was alone tbh. Shrugs for days. That's about all I know and my phone is d y I n g
Also if I'm counting right, it seems like 12 rooms were occupied last night but idk where people were or what have you.
Of note: I tried to move to room 26 but it was locked. Meaning that I was in room 3 last night but I actually have no idea if I was alone tbh. Shrugs for days. That's about all I know and my phone is d y I n g
558 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:50 pm
nautilus
nautilus wrote:nautilus wrote:Kiyoko wrote:stoat alley.
chinomi: II
high seraph vs.
Luxaria vs. chinomi
Sammiya vs.
AliceofOz vs.
alcasync vs. chinomi
Mr. Alice vs.
T3tsuya vs.
Tiki the Troll vs.
Rasei vs.
plotstickers vs.
eleni vs.
deo vs.
chinomi vs.
Ardonye vs.
Ninfia vs.
Kotakia vs.
As an aside, Kiyoko will be performing secondary duties of stoat tallying while I'm catchin' some z's.
I've also been slowly updating the first page!
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559 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:08 pm
Mr. Alice
fia, i will sing it 4 u
ahem
ok i hope you psychically got that or something because it was a stellar performance on my part
EDIT: oh god, today's a voting day man i'm bad at these
ahem
ok i hope you psychically got that or something because it was a stellar performance on my part
EDIT: oh god, today's a voting day man i'm bad at these
560 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:44 pm
Luxaria
So, I saw Deo make a comment about speculating where the traps are, and, since he's our friendly B&B ghost, I think people didn't quite notice that comment. I find it intriguing since we can fairly safely say that there's only one trap currently in play. All nights except for N1 have seen a failed attempt, meaning mafia were either locked up, hit a locked up room, or hit a paired up room (man what are the odds, though?).
So in this regard, we have one trap that I think will expire after the events of N3.
Based off of existing information, we know that, if everyone has been honest, then rooms 18, 19, 22, 26, 1, and 3 cannot have the trap in them. I will also say that I was in room 6 on N1 to better the count. So that's 7 / 27 rooms we publicly know to probably be without traps.
But, this got me thinking.
We have a bunch of proposed pairings of players, and no one has contradicted them. However, one variable that has not been mentioned is that we have no way of guaranteeing that there aren't mafia in two separate rooms that lie and say they're in the same room as one another, since that seems to be part of how we rule people out of having sent in the NK.
The risk with this ploy is that the mafia would not be able to guarantee there isn't someone that knows where other players spend the night, and it seems like there might be one such role given how Kotakia's role seems to function. Additionally, mafia doubling up (whether truthful or not) makes the game riskier for town since there's more unclaimed rooms that might be trapped. The main argument against this idea is that mafia have been thwarted twice now, and there's only been a locked room and 3-4 buddied rooms each night. Lower the count of faux mafia pairings, and that's almost unbelievably lucky for town. There may also still be some hidden roles out there that prevent NKs. We don't know.
However, I do think there's a feasible chance that mafia have paired up overnight as a way to guarantee no town will be in that room, and also as an alibi--and regardless of whether it's the truth or a lie, having two mafia in one room is a pretty solid alibi considering how we've been clearing players of suspicion (at least for the NK) based off of that fact.
This was just something that crossed my mind. The key point, I think, rests in the possibility of mafia lying about buddying up for alibi purposes.
Now, we have essentially three confirmed town in Ardonye, Kiyoko, and Drandahl. I don't want to necessarily say others are confirmed, but I do think Kotakia is almost assuredly town, and I believe Alcasync, the perennial town, can be included in that discussion--but we don't have any actual proof for the latter beyond attitude and tendencies.
So what pairings have we had:
Going by the previous list, that leaves...
Deo + Mr. Alice (N2) (Mr. Alice may be town given how everything has panned out, but it's not certain)
T3tsuya + ??? (N2)
Luxaria + AliceofOz (N2)
Chinomi + ??? (N1)
Eleni + T3tsuya (N1)
Chinomi + ??? (N0)
Plotstickers + Deo (N0)
I know I'm town and if you knew my role you would be inclined to believe me as well. That leaves Deo, possibly Mr. Alice, T3tsuya, Chinomi, Plotstickers, Eleni, and a few unverified roommates as possible "known" rooms of double mafia.
From this list, there are several things to note. First, quite a few people have not claimed to be roommates with another player. This can be interpretted several ways.
1)
If one player is mafia and lied about having a roommate, then no one could claim (other than another mafia). However, this relies on the idea that not all the players would claim rooms. Not an unreasonable gambit.
2)
If one player is mafia and the other is town and the mafia doesn't wish to back the town's claims to make them look scummy.
3)
If there's a town that hasn't claimed because they are scared of the boogie man.
There's probably some other options, but I listed those out to prove a point that the silence is not indicative of one's alignment. That said.
I'm very intrigued by Alcasync's vote, because Chinomi does stand out for both her votes, behavior, and that no one has commented on rooming with her yet. One thing that tends to strike me funny is when a player latches onto someone or something that feels confirmed town (like a message sender) and uses it to say, "See? This clearly means I am town!" Correct me if I am wrong, Chinomi, but so far your entire alibi has been that unknown persons have been in your room, you got locked in, and that you received a message. Your argument in favor of being town feels so weak to me:
So first, your entire reasoning against a scenario where you're town and Plotstickers is mafia is that she wouldn't use the message, which is player-targeted, to reveal herself to you. Except... as mafia, she'd be doing no harm by going to someone she would know to be town and trying to get on their good side. Because now you're backing her solely off of that fact, and people in general believe the message sender role to be a pro-town role. If she were mafia and had the role (and actually has it; you two could both be mafia and lying about it?), she has effectively built an alibi for herself off of that one move.
It can go more in-depth with better logic, but the take-away is that you immediately tried to establish Plotstickers as town--which isn't a bad thing if you're town, but I don't think it's a negative if you're mafia, either.
You proposed that since she has to be town as a result, then her sending you the message makes you town just because you shared it with the thread. What? Why wouldn't mafia in your position come forward with information that Plotstickers is pro-town? I can think of a scenario, and it's what you're doing right now: Your entire case for being town, as far as you've expressed, is that a pro-town role sent you a message identifying themself, and that you can't be mafia because if you were you wouldn't reveal a town. So you're creating your own logic to back up the case, as well as immediately jumping on it as a case for being town.
Tl;dr:
Vote: Chinomi
I think there's a good chance of one or both of Chinomi and Plotstickers are mafia. I want to see Chinomi defend herself in a way that isn't based off of Plotstickers sending her a message in a bottle.
@ Plotstickers:
Why did you send Chinomi a message? What did it say beyond a Frozen reference, if anything at all?
@ Chinomi + Chinomi roommates:
Speak up about who Chinomi supposedly roomed with both nights.
((I rambled and meandered a bit. I'll update the list shortly.))
Edits: I forgot about Ninfia's supposed room count role, which might preclude mafia from lying about doubling up rooms in previous phases--but not about doubling up and claiming solo rooms instead. Hmmm. Ninfia suggests 12 rooms had occupants. So far we have 4 claimed pairings.
Ninfia, does your tally go off before or after Kiyoko died? Do you know?
If Kiyoko was alive and counted, then that means with current counts:
10 solo rooms, 4 paired rooms: 14 rooms occupied
If Kiyoko was dead and did not count, then that means with current counts:
9 solo rooms, 4 paired rooms: 13 rooms occupied
So I'm guessing it counts while she's technically alive? Which means two room pairs haven't claimed yet. Unless there's someone that can squeeze into a room with two other people, and Kiyoko counted as being alive.
9 solo rooms, 3 paired rooms, 1 paired room with spectator: 12 rooms occupied
Edit 2: Modified roommate situation following Ardonye's post.
So in this regard, we have one trap that I think will expire after the events of N3.
Based off of existing information, we know that, if everyone has been honest, then rooms 18, 19, 22, 26, 1, and 3 cannot have the trap in them. I will also say that I was in room 6 on N1 to better the count. So that's 7 / 27 rooms we publicly know to probably be without traps.
But, this got me thinking.
We have a bunch of proposed pairings of players, and no one has contradicted them. However, one variable that has not been mentioned is that we have no way of guaranteeing that there aren't mafia in two separate rooms that lie and say they're in the same room as one another, since that seems to be part of how we rule people out of having sent in the NK.
The risk with this ploy is that the mafia would not be able to guarantee there isn't someone that knows where other players spend the night, and it seems like there might be one such role given how Kotakia's role seems to function. Additionally, mafia doubling up (whether truthful or not) makes the game riskier for town since there's more unclaimed rooms that might be trapped. The main argument against this idea is that mafia have been thwarted twice now, and there's only been a locked room and 3-4 buddied rooms each night. Lower the count of faux mafia pairings, and that's almost unbelievably lucky for town. There may also still be some hidden roles out there that prevent NKs. We don't know.
However, I do think there's a feasible chance that mafia have paired up overnight as a way to guarantee no town will be in that room, and also as an alibi--and regardless of whether it's the truth or a lie, having two mafia in one room is a pretty solid alibi considering how we've been clearing players of suspicion (at least for the NK) based off of that fact.
This was just something that crossed my mind. The key point, I think, rests in the possibility of mafia lying about buddying up for alibi purposes.
Now, we have essentially three confirmed town in Ardonye, Kiyoko, and Drandahl. I don't want to necessarily say others are confirmed, but I do think Kotakia is almost assuredly town, and I believe Alcasync, the perennial town, can be included in that discussion--but we don't have any actual proof for the latter beyond attitude and tendencies.
So what pairings have we had:
N2
Tiki the Troll + Ardonye
Deo + Mr. Alice
T3tsuya + ???
Luxaria + AliceofOz
N1
Chinomi + ???
Alcasync + Drandahl
Kotakia + Ardonye
Eleni + T3tsuya
N0
Chinomi + ???
Plotstickers + Deo
Kiyoko + Ardonye
Going by the previous list, that leaves...
Deo + Mr. Alice (N2) (Mr. Alice may be town given how everything has panned out, but it's not certain)
T3tsuya + ??? (N2)
Luxaria + AliceofOz (N2)
Chinomi + ??? (N1)
Eleni + T3tsuya (N1)
Chinomi + ??? (N0)
Plotstickers + Deo (N0)
I know I'm town and if you knew my role you would be inclined to believe me as well. That leaves Deo, possibly Mr. Alice, T3tsuya, Chinomi, Plotstickers, Eleni, and a few unverified roommates as possible "known" rooms of double mafia.
From this list, there are several things to note. First, quite a few people have not claimed to be roommates with another player. This can be interpretted several ways.
1)
If one player is mafia and lied about having a roommate, then no one could claim (other than another mafia). However, this relies on the idea that not all the players would claim rooms. Not an unreasonable gambit.
2)
If one player is mafia and the other is town and the mafia doesn't wish to back the town's claims to make them look scummy.
3)
If there's a town that hasn't claimed because they are scared of the boogie man.
There's probably some other options, but I listed those out to prove a point that the silence is not indicative of one's alignment. That said.
I'm very intrigued by Alcasync's vote, because Chinomi does stand out for both her votes, behavior, and that no one has commented on rooming with her yet. One thing that tends to strike me funny is when a player latches onto someone or something that feels confirmed town (like a message sender) and uses it to say, "See? This clearly means I am town!" Correct me if I am wrong, Chinomi, but so far your entire alibi has been that unknown persons have been in your room, you got locked in, and that you received a message. Your argument in favor of being town feels so weak to me:
Chinomi wrote:for instance, the whole plot incident. if i were mafia there's no way in heck i would come forward with information about someone with a power that is pretty clearly pro-town. plot even had a vote on them when i brought the information up. why would i discourage people from voting them if i weren't town?
Chinomi wrote:the message itself leads me to believe she's town because she gave away her identity by what she put for her message
Chinomi wrote:let's suppose for a moment that the message sending role was mafia (which it could be but) why would she send it to me giving away her identity if she were mafia? that seems really townie to me.
Chinomi wrote:BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT SHE'D REVEAL HERSELF LIKE THAT IF SHE WERE MAFIA she'd probably want to focus on sending out messages to townies to fool them instead of an in joke to me revealing her identity
So first, your entire reasoning against a scenario where you're town and Plotstickers is mafia is that she wouldn't use the message, which is player-targeted, to reveal herself to you. Except... as mafia, she'd be doing no harm by going to someone she would know to be town and trying to get on their good side. Because now you're backing her solely off of that fact, and people in general believe the message sender role to be a pro-town role. If she were mafia and had the role (and actually has it; you two could both be mafia and lying about it?), she has effectively built an alibi for herself off of that one move.
It can go more in-depth with better logic, but the take-away is that you immediately tried to establish Plotstickers as town--which isn't a bad thing if you're town, but I don't think it's a negative if you're mafia, either.
You proposed that since she has to be town as a result, then her sending you the message makes you town just because you shared it with the thread. What? Why wouldn't mafia in your position come forward with information that Plotstickers is pro-town? I can think of a scenario, and it's what you're doing right now: Your entire case for being town, as far as you've expressed, is that a pro-town role sent you a message identifying themself, and that you can't be mafia because if you were you wouldn't reveal a town. So you're creating your own logic to back up the case, as well as immediately jumping on it as a case for being town.
Tl;dr:
Vote: Chinomi
I think there's a good chance of one or both of Chinomi and Plotstickers are mafia. I want to see Chinomi defend herself in a way that isn't based off of Plotstickers sending her a message in a bottle.
@ Plotstickers:
Why did you send Chinomi a message? What did it say beyond a Frozen reference, if anything at all?
@ Chinomi + Chinomi roommates:
Speak up about who Chinomi supposedly roomed with both nights.
((I rambled and meandered a bit. I'll update the list shortly.))
Edits: I forgot about Ninfia's supposed room count role, which might preclude mafia from lying about doubling up rooms in previous phases--but not about doubling up and claiming solo rooms instead. Hmmm. Ninfia suggests 12 rooms had occupants. So far we have 4 claimed pairings.
Ninfia, does your tally go off before or after Kiyoko died? Do you know?
If Kiyoko was alive and counted, then that means with current counts:
10 solo rooms, 4 paired rooms: 14 rooms occupied
If Kiyoko was dead and did not count, then that means with current counts:
9 solo rooms, 4 paired rooms: 13 rooms occupied
So I'm guessing it counts while she's technically alive? Which means two room pairs haven't claimed yet. Unless there's someone that can squeeze into a room with two other people, and Kiyoko counted as being alive.
9 solo rooms, 3 paired rooms, 1 paired room with spectator: 12 rooms occupied
Edit 2: Modified roommate situation following Ardonye's post.
Last edited by Luxaria on Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:39 pm; edited 3 times in total
561 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:57 pm
Mr. Alice
wait sorry real quick question--what's the third list of?
562 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:06 pm
Luxaria
Link to the 24a Role List
- What we know so far:
NIGHT TWO/DAY THREE- rollover: Room 26 was locked.
- rollover: Mafia (presumably) either targeted the locked room, or they targeted a room with two players in it. In any case, no one died.
- rollover: Kiyoko has been killed in Room 4. She was the STUDENT. She was TOWN.
- rollover: Room 4 has been destroyed and cannot be entered on future nights.
- rollover: Some creepy thing appears to have been put in play. Result of "sacrificial lamb" being killed (Kiyoko?).
- Mr. Alice: Claimed a role that starts out vanilla but can copy the power of a dead player. - Seems like she might copy Drandahl, the Hunter/Vigilante (?) - Seems like she can't immediately utilize the role she copies, but appears to have knowledge of the role already (?).
- Mr. Alice: Says the Hunter role is a standard bullet kill. Is it night or day or both, and is it instant? Not sure?
- Kiyoko: THE STUDENT was on the role list and claims she could only use it on people in her room. Alcasync proposes investigative/detective and notes that Kiyoko thinks Ardonye is town.
- alcasync: Rasei didn't send in the room destruction (vigilante kill) or the NK.
- Kotakia: There is a one shot "Choose the player, not the room" vigilante role out there. Once used, every 2 nights without a kill a room will be destroyed. Last night must've been the one shot vig kill because if successful, the room is destroyed.
- Ninfia: 12 rooms were occupied.
- It appears the trap from N1 was not triggered. If not activated, it will expire at the end of N3.
NIGHT ONE/DAY TWO- rollover: There is a silencing role.
- rollover: Mr. Alice was silenced N0
- rollover: No message about NK, implies a trap might have been laid.
- rollover: Room 1 was locked. If a trap was laid, it was not laid in Room 1.
- Kiyoko: Kiyoko's role is on the 24a role list, but she can only use it on people she shares a room with.
- Kiyoko: Has a different "Good Morning" PM format than most people as part of her role.
- alcasync: alca's role has a similar name to a name on the 24a list but with the ability of a different role.
- alcasync: alca knows the full role description for the room locking role.
- chinomi: There is a message sending role in play.
- chinomi: chinomi received a letter on N1.
- Sammiya: Something similar to Sammie's role is on the 24a list.
- Kotakia: Kotakia's role is "kinda??? on your list. but just barely in what it does."
- AliceofOz: Alice's role is on the list.
- Luxaria: Lux's role "both is and is not on Kiyoko's list."
- high seraph: Role name is on the list but the ability is different.
- high seraph: Can use his role's information to get around the hotel safely.
- The following players claimed a role not on the 24a list: Rasei, Ninfia, T3tsuya, eleni, Tiki The Troll
- Known players who were paired up and therefore could not have sent in the NK: Kotakia + Ardonye, alcasync + drandahl, eleni + T3tsuya
NIGHT ZERO/DAY ONE- rollover: There is a role that locks doors.
- rollover: Room 7 was locked last night.
- rollover: Mafia (presumably) either targeted the locked room, or they targeted a room with two players in it. In any case, no one died.
- nautilus clarification: If the NK "fails" then that means no trap is laid. So assuming the kill attempt was the NK, there is currently no trap set.
- nautilus clarification: If the NK sender is roleblocked, the NK will not appear in rollover at all.
- Kotakia: There is a watcher role in play who can also disarm traps.
- Kiyoko: Kiyoko is not currently inclined to think that Ardonye is mafia.
- alcasync: A locked room blocks actions targeted to the room and prevents players from leaving or entering the room.
- alcasync: A room is only locked for one night.
- Ninfia: 14 rooms had occupants
- Assuming alca is telling the truth about all of that, then alca did not send in the NK last night.
- rollover: Room 26 was locked.
- Room Claims:
NIGHT TWO
3: Ninfia
??: Tiki the Troll + Ardonye
??: Deo + Mr. Alice
??: T3tsuya + ???
18: Luxaria + AliceofOz (<33)
19: Kotakia (alone?)
20: empty (according to Kotakia)
26: Rasei (alone?) [LOCKED]
Kotakia claims either 18 or 20 (or both) were empty
Rasei claims trying to move to room 23 but got bounced back or locked in.
T3tsuya claims to have stayed in the same room as N1.
Ninfia tried to move to 26, but it was locked.
NIGHT ONE
1: chinomi + ??? [LOCKED]
3: Ninfia
6: Luxaria
22: alcasync + drandahl
26: Rasei (alone)
??: Kotakia + Ardonye
??: eleni + T3tsuya
NIGHT ZERO
1: chinomi + ???
2: Sammiya (alone)
6: Luxaria (alone)
7: alcasync (alone) [LOCKED]
13: plotstickers + deo
24: Rasei (alone)
26: empty (according to Kotakia)
27: Kotakia (alone)
??: Kiyoko + Ardonye
- Roles that Exist:
Room locker - Locks a room at night, can act on consecutive nights
alcasync: Prevents players from targeting locked room, prevents players from entering and leaving locked room.
alcasync: Locking a room has priority over movement.
alcasync: You can still target players in a locked room, just not the room itself.
Silencer - Prevents a player from posting with the exception of their vote.
Watcher who can disarm traps (according to Kotakia)
Message sender (according to chinomi)
chinomi: Possibly plotstickers, due to sending an inside joke-related message.
Post-mortem copy machine (claimed by Mr. Alice)
Mr. Alice claims she copied Drandahl's role.
The Student - Kiyoko's role, town. Appears to be investigative based off of room occupants.
One-shot vigilante / room destruction (according to Kotakia)
Kotakia:
Choose player one-shot vigilante kill.
Destroys room if successful.
Once used, regardless of success, a random room is destroyed every two nights without a kill.
Kiyoko [might have/must have] been killed by this and, as the "sacrificial lamb", summoned a shadow-demon thing that will destroy rooms in the future if conditions are met (?).
alcasync: Rasei did not do this.
Kotakia's Information Gathering Role
Kotakia: "nope, no role names or player names, just [random] role information. My role involves a specific player combination in my room and the rooms beside me for me to gather any information. When it's a specific way, I get information. If not, I get nothing."
Kotakia: Cannot move the same night as the kill.
There's some speculation over whether or not the "sacrificial lamb" role is tied to the vigilante role described by Kotakia. Some have floated both this vigilante and the lamb role as being either neutral or mafia.
Hunter - Vigilante - Drandahl's role, supposedly copied by Mr. Alice
Mr. Alice claims that it's a "standard bullet where you can shoot a person". Seems unsure if it's instant (as in, the shot triggers immediately).
- D3 Vote Timestamps:
- 9:31 alcasync vs Chinomi
19:44 Luxaria vs Chinomi
- D2 Vote Timestamps:
- 12:15 alcasync vs AliceofOz
16:32 high seraph vs deo
16:46 eleni vs drandahl
19:36 T3tsuya vs Mr. Alice
19:42 Kotakia vs plotstickers
20:02 deo vs drandahl
20:08 Tiki vs deo
20:59 Sammiya vs T3tsuya
00:38 Kiyoko vs Mr. Alice
01:12 chinomi vs drandahl
01:13 plotstickers vs drandahl
01:33 Mr. Alice vs drandahl
05:43 Luxaria vs drandahl
06:18 Rasei vs no vote
06:32 Ardonye vs. Tiki The Troll
06:52 high seraph vs drandahl
07:54 Ninfia vs no lynch
08:56 drandahl vs no lynch
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563 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:11 pm
Ardonye
I'M AWAKE. Also noooo Kiyoko!
b)There were other candidates that were town (and possibly town) that were up for getting lynched? I feel like the mafia would not find a message-sending town role to be a threat considering the power relies on their ability to discern who they think is town in order to use it effectively. This is of course, going off the fact that plot is town and not neutral or mafia.
At the moment I'm leaning towards voting for chinomi based on past suspicion, but I won't just yet because I've only just caught up on the posts. I would like some time to go through other potential candidates for lynch, probably after I'm more awake + with breakfast.
On that note, I just want to say that Tiki the Troll was my roomie last night.
ALSO I shall re-read the posts about the role with room destroying powers every two nights and the sacrificial lamb stuff later because WOW I'm so confused about them and I'll need to sort that out in my mind.
- Spoiler:
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a) I think the mafia would possibly come forward with this information, if only to make themselves seem town by association.chinomi wrote:if i were mafia there's no way in heck i would come forward with information about someone with a power that is pretty clearly pro-town. plot even had a vote on them when i brought the information up. why would i discourage people from voting them if i weren't town?
b)There were other candidates that were town (and possibly town) that were up for getting lynched? I feel like the mafia would not find a message-sending town role to be a threat considering the power relies on their ability to discern who they think is town in order to use it effectively. This is of course, going off the fact that plot is town and not neutral or mafia.
At the moment I'm leaning towards voting for chinomi based on past suspicion, but I won't just yet because I've only just caught up on the posts. I would like some time to go through other potential candidates for lynch, probably after I'm more awake + with breakfast.
Since I've been cleared as town, I can pretty much confirm that everyone I've roomed with has actually been with me.Luxaria wrote:We have a bunch of proposed pairings of players, and no one has contradicted them. However, one variable that has not been mentioned is that we have no way of guaranteeing that there aren't mafia in two separate rooms that lie and say they're in the same room as one another, since that seems to be part of how we rule people out of having sent in the NK.
On that note, I just want to say that Tiki the Troll was my roomie last night.
ALSO I shall re-read the posts about the role with room destroying powers every two nights and the sacrificial lamb stuff later because WOW I'm so confused about them and I'll need to sort that out in my mind.
564 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:11 pm
Luxaria
@ Mr. Alice:
Which one? This?
If so, that list was comprised of players that claimed or were claimed as being roommates that did not have one of the few confirmed town in their room (Ardonye, Drandahl, Kiyoko). The purpose of this list was to highlight how, if mafia were lying about having roommates, these people would be possible suspects.
But Ninfia's post might invalidate that. I forgot she could count occupied rooms. I don't know, my head is spinning from tracking these lists and making my last post.
Which one? This?
Luxaria wrote:That leaves Tiki the Troll, Deo, possibly Mr. Alice, T3tsuya, Chinomi, Plotstickers, Eleni, and a few unverified roommates as possible "known" rooms of double mafia.
If so, that list was comprised of players that claimed or were claimed as being roommates that did not have one of the few confirmed town in their room (Ardonye, Drandahl, Kiyoko). The purpose of this list was to highlight how, if mafia were lying about having roommates, these people would be possible suspects.
But Ninfia's post might invalidate that. I forgot she could count occupied rooms. I don't know, my head is spinning from tracking these lists and making my last post.
565 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:16 pm
deo
okay i have some deep backreading to do but BLESS UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU LUXARIA that was pretty much what I wanted people to get at omg srsly bless this post
anyway yeah i'll post more stuff in a bit hopefully so brb :ghost:
anyway yeah i'll post more stuff in a bit hopefully so brb :ghost:
566 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:26 pm
Tiki The Troll
Ardonye wrote:On that note, I just want to say that Tiki the Troll was my roomie last night.
I've decided I like you as well.
This forum is awesome.
567 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:32 pm
alcasync
I'm not fully caught up but if it helps, the trap is not in room 22 because that's where drandahl and I were.
568 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:38 pm
Mr. Alice
oh uh, this one, sorry:
i'm gettin a little mixed up with rooming and mafia pairs, whoof @@
Luxaria wrote:Going by the previous list, that leaves...
Deo + Mr. Alice (N2) (Mr. Alice may be town given how everything has panned out, but it's not certain)
T3tsuya + ??? (N2)
Luxaria + AliceofOz (N2)
Chinomi + ??? (N1)
Eleni + T3tsuya (N1)
Chinomi + ??? (N0)
Plotstickers + Deo (N0)
i'm gettin a little mixed up with rooming and mafia pairs, whoof @@
569 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:42 pm
Ninfia
Admin
okay! I'm back on a computer and wow where the fuck do I even start. There is so much to speculate on and I'm feeling pretty wiped out for an incredibly busy day.
to address the question: Room 4 was not included on my list, so that's 12 rooms not including Kiyo.
to address the question: Room 4 was not included on my list, so that's 12 rooms not including Kiyo.
570 Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:56 pm
Luxaria
That was the list of every claimed pairing on Nights 0, 1, and 2, with Ardonye, Kiyoko, and Drandahl pairings excluded.
I later omitted myself and AliceofOz because I am town and can vouch for my room being accurate, though I suppose you have no reason to believe me beyond my statement that my role ability is definitively town.
Also, since I didn't address this earlier, I agree with a lot of both what Alcasync and T3tsuya have to say regarding Mr. Alice's role and alignment, and I don't want us to sweep this under the rug, as I suspected might happen and suggested previously.
I'd like to point out that I believe we'll be seeing another silence tomorrow, since we didn't see one N0, so that says to me it's probably an every-other-night type ability. If that's the case, we run the real risk of Mr. Alice getting silenced again, thus thwarting our investigation of them even longer.
I do think that the copying role sounds more town or neutral leaning than mafia, just as the vigilante/summoning role Kotakia mentioned sounds kind of scum-neutral, if it isn't mafia. I would also imagine that the argument of balance is accurate: Cthuluhoop is a stickler for balance, and he helped Nautilus a lot, and Nautilus spent basically a week guaranteeing this setup wasn't one-sided. I do feel like giving mafia potential access to another targeted vigilante kill might be... bad? It's difficult to say, I guess.
I'm not the biggest fan of an unknown having a gun. That said, considering we've seen one vigilante go off, and another died from a lynch, I don't know... I think it's unlikely for there to be a third or fourth? Maybe? So if the shot went off on a bad target, or one that town (namely, the confirmed town) didn't suggest, Mr. Alice looks scummy. That said, mafia might have another kill (especially if the one last night was actually neutral) and could use it to frame her.
Ugh.
Hmm. Kotakia did note that she wasn't sure if the vigilante/summon role could decide which rooms to destroy. If they can't, it's probably more likely a neutral role (but killing Kiyoko is so scummy...). If they can, it does sound more mafia leaning. I have reservations as to whether or not it's an unaffiliated role, since as Tiki did say, I could see someone (neutral, namely) selecting Kiyoko as their sacrificial lamb, and if Kiyoko ever died then they'd summon their crazy beast.
That said, the flavor text Kotakia shared seems to indicate that this is all exclusive to one role. I don't know, man.
@ Mr. Alice:
Tell me more. Can you fire your Hunter shot during either phase? Does the action resolve as soon as you send it in, or does it resolve at rollover?
You target a player with it, correct?
Is it one-use?
Do you have this role for the rest of the game? And will it be your only role?
Is there anything else you can tell us?
I'll give you delicious banana and chocolate chip pancakes if you answer! ^_^ <33
I later omitted myself and AliceofOz because I am town and can vouch for my room being accurate, though I suppose you have no reason to believe me beyond my statement that my role ability is definitively town.
Also, since I didn't address this earlier, I agree with a lot of both what Alcasync and T3tsuya have to say regarding Mr. Alice's role and alignment, and I don't want us to sweep this under the rug, as I suspected might happen and suggested previously.
I'd like to point out that I believe we'll be seeing another silence tomorrow, since we didn't see one N0, so that says to me it's probably an every-other-night type ability. If that's the case, we run the real risk of Mr. Alice getting silenced again, thus thwarting our investigation of them even longer.
I do think that the copying role sounds more town or neutral leaning than mafia, just as the vigilante/summoning role Kotakia mentioned sounds kind of scum-neutral, if it isn't mafia. I would also imagine that the argument of balance is accurate: Cthuluhoop is a stickler for balance, and he helped Nautilus a lot, and Nautilus spent basically a week guaranteeing this setup wasn't one-sided. I do feel like giving mafia potential access to another targeted vigilante kill might be... bad? It's difficult to say, I guess.
I'm not the biggest fan of an unknown having a gun. That said, considering we've seen one vigilante go off, and another died from a lynch, I don't know... I think it's unlikely for there to be a third or fourth? Maybe? So if the shot went off on a bad target, or one that town (namely, the confirmed town) didn't suggest, Mr. Alice looks scummy. That said, mafia might have another kill (especially if the one last night was actually neutral) and could use it to frame her.
Ugh.
Hmm. Kotakia did note that she wasn't sure if the vigilante/summon role could decide which rooms to destroy. If they can't, it's probably more likely a neutral role (but killing Kiyoko is so scummy...). If they can, it does sound more mafia leaning. I have reservations as to whether or not it's an unaffiliated role, since as Tiki did say, I could see someone (neutral, namely) selecting Kiyoko as their sacrificial lamb, and if Kiyoko ever died then they'd summon their crazy beast.
That said, the flavor text Kotakia shared seems to indicate that this is all exclusive to one role. I don't know, man.
@ Mr. Alice:
Tell me more. Can you fire your Hunter shot during either phase? Does the action resolve as soon as you send it in, or does it resolve at rollover?
You target a player with it, correct?
Is it one-use?
Do you have this role for the rest of the game? And will it be your only role?
Is there anything else you can tell us?
I'll give you delicious banana and chocolate chip pancakes if you answer! ^_^ <33
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