welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4]

nautilus · **826** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:44 pm

stoat alley.

deo · **827** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:51 pm

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i am okay with that tbqh

Luxaria · **828** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:10 pm

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Link to the 24a Role List

What we know so far:

NIGHT THREE/DAY FOUR

rollover: chinomi was lynched! They were the PRINCIPAL. They were MAFIA.
rollover: The phase has prematurely ended!
rollover: There was a kill attempt on a room, but it failed!
rollover: A trap has been dismantled!
Ninfia: 11 rooms were occupied N3.
T3tsuya: My room number was 23, period. See role and room claims.
Rasei: Claims to have lost her extra life (part of her claimed role) on N3. AliceofOz moved into Rasei's room.

NIGHT TWO/DAY THREE

rollover: Room 26 was locked.
rollover: Mafia (presumably) either targeted the locked room, or they targeted a room with two players in it. In any case, no one died.
rollover: Kiyoko has been killed in Room 4. She was the STUDENT. She was TOWN.
rollover: Room 4 has been destroyed and cannot be entered on future nights.
rollover: Some creepy thing appears to have been put in play. Result of "sacrificial lamb" being killed (Kiyoko?).
Mr. Alice: Claimed a role that starts out vanilla but can copy the power of a dead player. - Seems like she might copy Drandahl, the Hunter/Vigilante (?) - Seems like she can't immediately utilize the role she copies, but appears to have knowledge of the role already (?).
Mr. Alice: Says the Hunter role is a standard bullet kill. Is it night or day or both, and is it instant? Not sure?
Kiyoko: THE STUDENT was on the role list and claims she could only use it on people in her room. Alcasync proposes investigative/detective and notes that Kiyoko thinks Ardonye is town.
alcasync: Rasei didn't send in the room destruction (vigilante kill) or the NK.
Kotakia: There is a one shot "Choose the player, not the room" vigilante role out there. Once used, every 2 nights without a kill a room will be destroyed. Last night must've been the one shot vig kill because if successful, the room is destroyed.
Ninfia: 12 rooms were occupied. Room 4 was not included.
plotstickers: Sent Chi one line from a Frozen song. "Was meant to be more" but needs to confirm something first ? ** Clarification for a previous phase.
plotstickers: "I don't think Chi targeted room 8 on night zero."
It appears the trap from N1 was not triggered. If not activated, it will expire at the end of N3.

NIGHT ONE/DAY TWO

rollover: There is a silencing role.
rollover: Mr. Alice was silenced N0
rollover: No message about NK, implies a trap might have been laid.
rollover: Room 1 was locked. If a trap was laid, it was not laid in Room 1.
Kiyoko: Kiyoko's role is on the 24a role list, but she can only use it on people she shares a room with.
Kiyoko: Has a different "Good Morning" PM format than most people as part of her role.
alcasync: alca's role has a similar name to a name on the 24a list but with the ability of a different role.
alcasync: alca knows the full role description for the room locking role.
chinomi: There is a message sending role in play.
chinomi: chinomi received a letter on N1.
Sammiya: Something similar to Sammie's role is on the 24a list.
Kotakia: Kotakia's role is "kinda??? on your list. but just barely in what it does."
AliceofOz: Alice's role is on the list.
Luxaria: Lux's role "both is and is not on Kiyoko's list."
high seraph: Role name is on the list but the ability is different.
high seraph: Can use his role's information to get around the hotel safely.
The following players claimed a role not on the 24a list: Rasei, Ninfia, T3tsuya, eleni, Tiki The Troll
Known players who were paired up and therefore could not have sent in the NK: Kotakia + Ardonye, alcasync + drandahl, eleni + T3tsuya

NIGHT ZERO/DAY ONE

rollover: There is a role that locks doors.
rollover: Room 7 was locked last night.
rollover: Mafia (presumably) either targeted the locked room, or they targeted a room with two players in it. In any case, no one died.
nautilus clarification: If the NK "fails" then that means no trap is laid. So assuming the kill attempt was the NK, there is currently no trap set.
nautilus clarification: If the NK sender is roleblocked, the NK will not appear in rollover at all.
Kotakia: There is a watcher role in play who can also disarm traps.
Kiyoko: Kiyoko is not currently inclined to think that Ardonye is mafia.
alcasync: A locked room blocks actions targeted to the room and prevents players from leaving or entering the room.
alcasync: A room is only locked for one night.
Ninfia: 14 rooms had occupants
Assuming alca is telling the truth about all of that, then alca did not send in the NK last night.

Room Claims:

Roles that Exist:

D4 Vote Timestamps:

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D2 Vote Timestamps:

Luxaria · **829** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:18 pm

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First thing's first while I compose a post. I have a lot of thoughts. Here are some questions to various people.

@ Our lovely host <3

T3tsuya wrote:My Room Number was 23. Period. Until tonight I've been in Room 23 for three nights. Twice a game I can change my target and when I do, I cannot move for that night. I did that N2.

Nautilus can specifically back up that if a role has an ability that says "You cannot move when you activate this ability" it does not move you even if you hit your two night limit. This is a game clarification and I'm sure she'll attest to how truthful it is if asked.

Nautilus, verdict? Can a role have an ability that causes them to stay in the same room indefinitely, regardless of the 2-night rule?

@ Rasei

Hmm.

So, tell me more.

You're listed as having been in room 26 for three nights. Unlike T3tsuya, you have not addressed this inconsistency with the game rules. Nautilus' answer might shine light on your role, but that does not say why you would stay there; with T3tsuya, it's mostly obvious why he wouldn't move, if what he says is accurate.

What about you? Why did you not get automatically moved? How does your bulletproof work, also? How does the player receiving the will use it? They get told they may write a will and submit it to Nautilus?

How many wills may you give out?

@ Room movements

I have something interesting I'm working on. I will post it in a little bit, including reads and who I am likely to vote on.

Lastly. This may sound funny, but using our vigilante tonight might not be a bad idea. Given mafia's track record at failing to land NKs (which is... very interesting to me, honestly), there's a chance another room might be destroyed tonight (edit: Kotakia wasn't entirely sure if it happens the night of or the night after, though I think she favored the latter. Maybe holding the shot in this case would give us information on how that works?). In theory, the vigilante shot might prevent a room from being destroyed--and there's a greater chance of the destruction hitting town. Vigilante shot might prevent that, plus we could use it to test someone we're doubting.

Basically, are we okay with a potential room destruction and want to hold the shot? Or would it be good to use now?

high seraph · **830** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:22 pm

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Do u really think I've been playing TWEWY at all nautilus I am living for this thread now omfg

I literally forgot today was the deadline to send my CV for a cool job opportunity (not that great tbh but better than what I have now) bc I was refreshing this thread and then I was like OH SHIT? And edited my CV and cover letter really quick (just added a couple of things tbh I have been working on this CV and cover letter for DAYS LMFAO IM KIND OF A LOSER I NEED IT TO BE PERFECT EVEN IF I DONT REEEEALLY WANT THE JOB)

/off topic rant

nautilus · **831** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:23 pm

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I can't actually comment on the existence or non-existence of roles in the game. I'm a host.

But I can answer whether or not hypothetical roles that may or may not exist that restrict room movements count towards the mandatory move rule, and I mentioned that alll the way over here on Page 5:

If your room movement goes through and you attempt to move to a room that's full it will count towards the rule.

If, at any point, your room movement is forcibly impeded (whether it be a role or otherwise) that prevents your room movement from starting in the first place, it will not count towards the rule.

high seraph · **832** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:27 pm

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@Luxaria Rasei spent three nights in the same room because, and they quoted nautilus on this, being locked up by alca doesn't count to the total of nights u are allowed to spend in one room. Tbh T3t's explanation for being in the same room for 3 phases makes a lot less sense but since it has to do with his roleclaim, its impossible to be totally sure

Also I am all for the Town vig shooting AliceofOz after we lynch eleni. Yes despite my initial suspicion on Rasei, I'm backpedaling and I buy her story, specially since she can prove it to us by sending the will to Ardonye or alca, the two most town-looking players in this game.

Also Rasei it'd probably be best if you don't publicly announce Who youre sending the will to because if mafia has a Vig (unlikely?) they could shoot whoever you say youre gonna send the will to lmao

Rasei · **833** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:32 pm

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Alpaca can tell you that I was locked in on N2.

Luxaria · **834** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:58 pm

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Ugh, I just went back to check my documents of mechanics, and apparently it was in there. Sorry. ;_; Trying to keep track of all of this between personal notes, thoughts, and info dump.... ffff.

Thank you for that reminder, both of you.

Hmmm. That does make Rasei's claim believable, though I still want her to answer my questions. Also, we can test what she's saying by giving her a list of 2-3 confirmed town / least suspicious players to send it to, so she can't be thwarted as easily. It's an easy way to check her claim.

For AliceofOz, I will think on this. This is a bit of a metagame read, but I mean she's my waifu and I spend ~~my life~~ most of my day with her, and she's been pretty busy lately so it makes me wonder if she even could've gotten a NK action in before I did. I do know she was present near rollover, as was eleni, another suspect.

Um. I keep wondering if it might've been possible for a mafia to just have an automatic sort of attack that goes off, but that might not make sense? But, like, I mentioned it before, but I find it really, really bizarre that every night save one we've seen "An attempted kill failed!" With only 3-4 room pairings each night, plus one jailed room (which we didn't even have last night), and nearly as many empty rooms as occupied rooms... I mean, what are the odds that mafia somehow have failed every single non-whatever-killed-Kiyoko kill? That's so bizarre to me.

That said, last night was the first night that we saw a trap dismantled, which means we know that one was placed N1, and thus confirms that one was not placed N0 (unless that was what killed Kiyoko? Like, she walked into a room with... a ritual in it that summoned something, and that was the trap?). But the absence of other traps showing up is a hole in my theory because otherwise, I'd almost wonder if there's some passive effect that tries to kill someone in the night (which has also somehow failed? or it's just an automatic message?), and the actual NK has been on empty rooms almost every time... because I'm having a lot of trouble believing mafia somehow hit a paired or jailed room 3/4 nights. Maybe they really are just that unlucky, though.

The main reason I'm going through this line of inquiry is because I guess my pride demands that I find reason as to how I could be beaten at rollover. I informed Nautilus 1hr 30m before rollover that if chinomi flipped mafia, I would be sending in my role so she could prepare a second rollover text if necessary. I also typed up my message and had it ready to send, hammered F5 on the thread the entire minute leading up to rollover, and the second I saw it I hit send less than 5 seconds later. I wish I could see seconds on a sent PM. Maybe I lost a second to a mafia since I was making sure chinomi flipped mafia, so I guess that'd explain it. But if someone did beat me, that really, really has me curious as to who sent in the NK, and it points me more in the direction of eleni or another vet since she'd be more likely to have experience with getting actions in quickly. I guess we can't preclude the thought that the veteran mafia on the team would tell the one sending it in to do it ASAP at rollover, even if the one sending it in was less experienced.

Tl;dr: My pride has been wounded.

At any rate, most of that isn't... necessarily anything that needs to be addressed by anyone in a serious capacity. One of the role's Kotakia revealed does line up with how Kiyoko died, and--

@ Nautilus

Do traps destroy rooms?

I don't think that they do, but I guess this is the best way to test what I'm wondering. If the answer is no, I'd find it highly unlikely that mafia would have:

1) The vigilante role Kotakia described (unless it's on neutral, but I'm leaning 70 to 80% chance of it being mafia, and it really does sound like that was what hit Kiyoko)
2) Normal NK traps
3) Ways to make room destroying NK traps (unless these have permanent duration? But we've been in almost every room, haven't... we.... hm...... I will return to this when I post the aforementioned speculation/reads post I'm working on.

I guess it might not be impossible for mafia to have all of that, but... still.

Oh, hey.

@ plotstickers:

Have you sent anyone else messages? Has anyone else received a message from plotstickers? I can't imagine you chose to only send one to chinomi at this point.

Also, can you reveal why you doubt that she targeted room 8 on N0? I mean she was a lying mafia scum and (most likely) had no interaction with room 8, but you clearly had reasons/information to think ill of her claim.

@ Rasei:

Mmhm, I realize that now. Can you answer the other questions? I just want to understand how it works, but I think I am not inclined to suspect you for now, especially since we can wait until D5 to verify if you sent someone a will. Your role sounds fairly pro-town to me, but I'll let people with more games under their belt weigh in on that.

Mr. Alice · **835** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:59 pm

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dont tell me what to do youre not my mother

also is announcing vig actions really something yall want to do? there are so many ways that can be stopped like??? i dont think depending on a vig shot is a really sound plan in general b/c of that but ok yall w/e

Luxaria · **836** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:05 pm

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It'd presumably be a situation like what we're describing to Rasei: Give you 2-3 scummy targets and you TRUST YOUR HEART.

But I'm mostly just throwing it out there as an idea so we can explore all avenues. I want to hear what others think of it. We could also let the vigilante role sit dormant and see if we dodge another NK, and thus if the room destruction role Kotakia described triggers due to a lack of kills.

Just for the record, Blaire, your Hunter role targets one player directly and won't kill anyone else in a room with them, right? And it won't be prevented if your target is in a room with another player, right?

Rasei · **837** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:10 pm

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Lux wrote:
How does your bulletproof work, also? How does the player receiving the will use it? They get told they may write a will and submit it to Nautilus?

How many wills may you give out?

I'm skipping the questions about movement since it's been address.

My bulletproof is once per a game, I can survive either a lynch or killing attack.

Player gets the will via Nautilus's pm. They are told they can write 100 characters, then send it to Nautilus. When rollover happens, the will will be posted by the player's death.

I only get one will, and can only send it out during the day.

Luxaria · **838** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:16 pm

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Oooh, that's very good, then. In theory you could just send it to someone during this phase. I'm guessing Ardonye is the most obvious choice, or Alcasync. There's a few others I'm hedging my bets on being town that might be acceptable, but those two are probably safest?

I say we let these individuals (and others!) decide which player should receive it.

@ T3tsuya: What do you think of Rasei's claims? Since you seemed to doubt her more than most, iirc.

high seraph · **839** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:23 pm

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My shooting suggestions: AliceofOz, plotstickers and deo.

I'm going to believe Rasei is telling the truth until she is contradicted. T3tsuya seems the least scummy to me out of my list - the scummiest thing they said that I can recall is say that "Rasei bouncing off of room#23" supports their room claims when Rasei was actually locked. This commebt through me off and made me go wild with a theory that didnt work at all lmao but outside of that T3t doesnt look very maffy

No one else has ever claimed receiving a letter from plot and tbh she hasnt answered out questions like the thing about room 8 or whatever. AliceofOz is under fire from Rasei. And deo is the only other person remaining from my suspects list - he is tied with T3tsuya for least suspicious among the most suspicious tbh.

ALSO I'd really like it if more people voted omg

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alcasync · **840** Re: welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4] Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:24 pm

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T3tsuya wrote:with a very very very very soft Alcasync suspicion in the back of my mind.

Please explain.

@Luxaria, in past games mafia have actually been able to send actions for other members. Also I don't think being experienced at mafia has anything to do with sending actions quickly. After all, I have more experience than you and you sent your action before mine. ;v;

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welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4]

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nautilus

stoat alley.

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deo

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Rasei

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Luxaria

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