welcome to the b & b [PART 1: N0-N4]

OH MY GOD LMFAO

the message itself leads me to believe she's town because she gave away her identity by what she put for her message

PLOT CAN YOU CONFIRM IF THIS WAS YOU WHO SENT THE MESSAGE IM GOING TO FEEL REALLY DUMB IF IT WASN'T

chinomi wrote:OK

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DID THAT MAKE SENSE

NOT REALLY. I sincerely have no idea what you're talking about. What message? Explain further about all this please, I'm not following. You didn't exactly go deeply into any of this earlier. Are you trying to imply the message you got sent is from the jailer role?

Luxaria wrote:Rollover

I can absolutely understand the want to go for inactives over Mr Alice and that's why I urged everyone to think for themselves and not just follow my vote. Voting for inactives in this situation is not unwise and it's infinitely better than just not voting at all.

Like you said this is a WIFOM situation in probably one of the purest forms. Which is why I opted to go for what I feel is the most certain thing. Not a verifiably certain thing, not something I'm absolutely sure of, but the move I feel is going to yield the best results.

If the inactive is a town then we'd have to consider even harder if we trust Alice later because then we're making a risky decision with one down. I'd rather make a bad decision that stands a chance of not being as bad as the alternative, earlier. When it can hurt us less than later if it comes to that. But that's my thinking as a person who would put poison in both our glasses before we drink. I do absolutely see the merit in the inactive first and Alice second scenario.

"Chinomi, please, I know you're in there. The town are wondering where you've been. They have their pitchforks and they're trying to, dismember you, don't let them in."

Holy shit lol

((confession: I don't think I've ever actually watched Aladdin))

Also, I might have to just stop posting for the rest of my life, because I can't see anything ever topping my last post. Once you reach the top, the only place left to go is down.

I do want to see what Plot has to say about all of this.

nautilus wrote:

goat rally.

drandahl: II
deo: II
Mr. Alice: II
plotstickers: I
AliceofOz: I
T3tsuya: I

high seraph vs. deo
Kiyoko vs. Mr. Alice
Luxaria vs.
Sammiya vs. T3tsuya
AliceofOz vs.
alcasync vs. AliceofOz
Mr. Alice vs.
T3tsuya vs. Mr. Alice
Tiki the Troll vs. deo (up to nautilus whether his vote for Rasei counts or not)
Rasei vs.
drandahl vs.
plotstickers vs.
eleni vs. drandahl
deo vs. drandahl
chinomi vs.
Ardonye vs.
Ninfia vs.
Kotakia vs. plotstickers

Link to the 24a Role List

What we know so far:

Room Claims:

Roles that Exist:

jesus christ i am falling asleep. I just got back from an ingress operation. Updated infodump and vote tally up; my own spec, and my own vote incoming.

takes a break from screaming about the touken ranbu artbook to say that i literally have no idea who to vote for. i have a HUNCH on deo but it's literally just a hunch and we all know how things turn out when i go for hunches AT LEAST I DON'T HAVE A GUN THIS GAME

and then the duranahahhaeakdkasdl... inactivity isn't exactly helpful but would a mafia player be that inactive?

MAKES NOISES WITH MY MOUTH

hmm ok honestly i think i'm just going to keep my vote on drandahl... based on alca's info, they at least weren't the NK sender last night, but that doesn't really exclude them from being one of the other four maf members, so. i also don't have anyone else i want to vote tbh lol

going to bed... looking forward to seeing what happens at rollover :'D we have some interesting votes here, although i'm slightly nervous about the outcome since most people are sleeping now/soon so that may make it easier for maf to swing votes.

welp, i guess we'll see what happens. going to bed now /o/

Specpost.

On drandahl's inactivity
SORRY I ACTUALLY DRAGGED HIM OUT TO PLAY INGRESS WITH ME AND I AM THE ENTIRE REASON HE WAS NOT HERE THIS EVENING, however that doesn't excuse his general lack of informative posts at every other moment between the hours of 7pm and midnight PST, so.

On Mr. Alice
I understand Tet's viewpoint. I really do. I don't suspect him at all for wanting to vote the way he does. I also understand Sammie's viewpoint and don't suspect Sammie for voting Tet for voting Blaire (phew) because that's incredibly consistent with the kind of person Sammie is.

My personal opinion is the same as my last post where I discussed this. We're not in any danger ratio-wise, so I don't see it as particularly detrimental to leave her alive even if she is mafia.

That said. Tet's also right. Blaire isn't someone who particularly contributes a lot to the discussion (no offense Blaire you know I love you), and while she might be a town power role, so might everyone else. If we have to lynch anyone in this phase, he's right. Blaire is a fairly safe lynch from a thread participation standpoint. Even if it is WIFOM, it's enough of a WIFOM that it's essentially a coin flip from town's POV.

On Tet and Sammie in particular
If Blaire flips town, Tet pushing a lynch on her when she can't defend herself makes him look really, really bad. For this reason, I don't believe Tet is maf pushing a lynch on a town Blaire. I don't even believe Tet is maf pushing a lynch on a maf Blaire, because I do genuinely believe that alca's implication that there are player-targeted actions are what tipped him into voting the way he did.

So I don't suspect Tet for his vote regardless of how Blaire flips.

I already mentioned that I don't think Sammie is defending Blaire, I think Sammie is just being her normal self, championing those who can't defend themselves. If Blaire flips maf, I still won't particularly suspect Sammie.

On Tiki, Deo and drandahl
deo votes drandahl, presumably to save himself. This makes sense from deo's perspective regardless of alignment.

Immediately after, Tiki, who was going to allegedly vote Rasei, switches his vote to deo.

Tiki The Troll wrote:Ninja'd: Well, so much for not tipping the balance. XD So, crap, uh, to even it out... vote: deo?

...Why?

Well, apparently because:

Tiki The Troll wrote:He seemed like a decent choice too, if only because he was the one to unbalance the vote, so...yeah.

I'm sorry, what about deo voting to save himself is considered suspicious enough to warrant a vote, here? Especially considering,

Tiki The Troll wrote:I want to vote a no lynch before bed, then maybe switch it up in the morning (since a lot of discussion tends to happen whenever I'm asleep), but no guarantee I'll be able to

In other words, Tiki, you had no intention of changing your vote. You could "maybe" change it, but you weren't guaranteed to be able to do so. By leaving your vote on him, you're making it that much more likely that deo is the final lynch candidate. So what is it about deo that makes you so okay with the possibility of his death, or alternatively, what is it about drandahl that's encouraging you to try to save him?

I think if either deo or drandahl were to be lynched, that might shed some light on Tiki's alignment, too.

Maybe I'm reading too deeply into all of this and this is just Tiki being Tiki as per usual, in which case I'd like someone to to offer their genuine outside opinion.

On chinomi and plot

Message sender is usually town-aligned, and even if it is mafia-aligned, it's not a particularly... useful... mafia role by itself, unless (as chinomi mentioned) it's being used to try to deceive townies. If it's the case that message sender decided to use their action to send an inside joke to a friend, I'd put that down as more of a town move than a maf move. In any case I'm okay with at least leaving pladderlot alone until we get confirmation on if she's actually the message sender and all that.

Conclusion

I'm going to be voting for one of Mr. Alice, deo, or drandahl tonight, because I don't want to split the votes any further, and I buy Tet's argument about why Blaire is a relatively safe lynch.

I'm actually particularly interested in the tie right now between deo and drandahl. I'm actually particularly interested in ties.

I'm really, really interested in how people will vote if I try to force the following tie.

vote: Mr. Alice

I will be up before rollover. I'm making an effort to shift my schedule an hour or two earlier so that I stop getting into work so late. I don't really expect many other people to post before rollover. But I will be able to change my vote if need be.

Three-way tie between three people I don't particularly mind lynching for information? Bring it.

Heading to bed.

@nautilus, the vote tally is accurate up until this post that I am making right now.

vote: drandahl

i'm going to bed soon and i don't want to chicken out from a vote since i most likely won't be around for rollover tomorrow, as usual. i won't pretend i have a good reason to vote them because i don't have a good reason to vote anyone right now. anything i end up doing will just be following those with good arguments and leads regardless, and it seems to be a choice between three people in that regard. OH BOY.

So much discussion! If anyone's actually around right now, I won't be able to answer any additional questions following this post because I've been at work for 12 hours and started packing for a short one-day trip after eating dinner so I desperately need to sleep.

First off, I noticed that several people mentioned receiving PMs with the phrase dazed and confused. I think we've confirmed that it doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I thought I'd share that I got one saying the same about deo, which was why I asked him if he was OK in a previous post of mine. Interesting that it was mutual. And yes, I intentionally chose to go into room 13.

Next, (⋈◍＞◡＜◍)。✧♡ Thanks for noticing me! I did, in fact, send a message to the charming chinomi related to Frozen!

Third, I was alone last night in room 19.

Fourth, I quickly (and sleepily) caught up with the thread and my opinion boils down to "hey, I should vote for one of the people who're tied." The outcome should be helpful as we get further into the game. Ah, voting patterns.

I'd like to hear from a living Blaire next phase. Silencing someone who has a reputation for not defending herself feels a little obvious to me... It makes her stand out.

deo was my roomie, so I don't feel inclined to vote for him at this moment.

-- wow, my sweetheart voted the same way i was planning to

vote: drandahl

@plot

Spoiler:

I can't decide. If I toss a vote on Drandahl, it all but seals his lynch. If I toss a vote on Mr. Alice, there's a chance of a tie, which I may not be opposed to. I've WIFOM'd the situation around Mr. Alice to the point where I don't know if she's even a real person anymore or just a figment of a mafia game. I also agree that mafia might not be inclined to be so inactive, like Drandahl is, but we've had a game here before where one mafia literally said nothing and won because of town inactivity.

I think on D1 Drandahl posted close to rollover (in 3.5 hours), so if he does that again, I will be asleep and can't be around to swap off of him if he or someone else presents a compelling argument. I don't feel strongly enough yet about any of the other people up for vote. I actually just don't feel strongly about anyone, but I can't shake the feeling that something is off about this phase and I don't like it. You know, I take it all back. I can't handle this many variables from so many people. Kill me now, please. Rollover x 3.

Ugh. I need my waifu.

Vote: Drandahl

I guess in the end it's between someone quiet that is impossible to develop reads on, and another person that's quiet and impossible to develop reads on... but has had mafia interaction in a highly WIFOM scenario. I hate WIFOM scenarios.

Going to sneak in for a second here...